Vattel Cited: Records of the Federal Convention1787 (Natural Born Citizen)

The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 [Farrand's Records, Volume 3] ^ | 1911 | Max Farrand

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Obama's supporters state there is no record the Founders used Vattel.

The second page shows the addition natural born citizen in 1787, the third page references Vattel.

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The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787

Any one interested going thru the debates to see what was discussed regarding natural born citizen.

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http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/hlaw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28fr003452%29%29

link to the index citing Vattel.

[Bigun]

Great work!

This should shut them up onece and for all but I doubt that it will!

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http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwfr.html

link to the debates 1787 convention

[WellyP]

This is great work. The legislative intent is shown clearly. No mistaking what “they wanted to say”. THANKS

[MrEdd]

Of interest to every serviceman who swore to defend the constitution ping.

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Props!

This shows the REAL issue that the whole “birther” dismissal ignores. Obama admits his father was Kenyan. Therefore, he’s not a natural born
citizen.

Courts say nobody has standing to raise the issue. Pathetic.

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Any one want to read Volume I pages Vattel: 437, 438 440 and 442 have not read. Have no idea what is there.

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http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query

link to Vattel many many documents listed by the Founders.

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[Fred Nerks]

Obama's supporters state there is no record the Founders used Vattel.

The second page shows the addition natural born citizen in 1787, the third page references Vattel.

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First page search for Vattel..

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1 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume: 3 January 1, 1776 - May 15, 1776 —Benjamin Franklin to James Bowdoin
2 Elliot’s Debates —Wednesday, June 27.
3 Farrand’s Records —MADISON Wednesday June 27. in Convention
4 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 22 November 1, 1784 - November 6, 1785 —Elbridge Gerry to Timothy Pickering
5 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 8 September 19, 1777 - January 31, 1778 —Daniel Roberdeau to Timothy Matlack
6 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 8 September 19, 1777 - January 31, 1778 —Elbridge Gerry to Thomas Wharton
7 Farrand’s Records —KING Wednesday 27. June5
8 Farrand’s Records —YATES Wednesday, June 27th, 1787.
9 Elliot’s Debates —Wednesday, June 27, 1787.
10 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 2 September 1775 - December 1775 —Richard Smith’s Diary
11 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 8 September 19, 1777 - January 31, 1778 —James Lovell to John Adams
12 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence —Franklin to Dumas.*
13 Senate Journal —MONDAY, MARCH 10, 1794.
14 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 2 September 1775 - December 1775 —Charles William Frederic Dumas
15 Journals of the Continental Congress —FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1785.
16 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 16 September 1, 1780 - February 28, 1781 —James Madison to Joseph Jones
17 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence —Franklin to R. Bernstorf, Minister of Foreign Affairs in Denmark.*
18 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence —Dana to Livingston.*
19 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence —A. Lee to the King of Prussia.
20 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX.

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2nd page Vattel

21 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence
—CHAPTER XVII. LIVINGSTON—MORRIS.
22 Senate Journal —INDEX TO THE FIRST SESSION OF THE THIRD CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES.
23 The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence —Livingston to Franklin.*
24 Journals of the Continental Congress —TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1780
25 Elliot’s Debates —INDEX. BY SPEAKERS’ NAMES.
26 Journals of the Continental Congress —TUESDAY, AUGUST 29, 1786.
27 Annals of Congress: Index —SENATE.
28 Elliot’s Debates —DEBATES IN THE LEGISLATURE AND IN CONVENTION OF THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, ON THE ADOPTION OF THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION.
29 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX OF THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE.
30 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX OF THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE.
31 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX.
32 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX TO THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE.
33 Journals of the Continental Congress —INDEX
34 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX TO THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE.
35 American State Papers —INDEX TO FOREIGN RELATIONS. VOL. II.
36 Journals of the Continental Congress —INDEX
37 Congressional Globe —INDEX TO THE APPENDIX TO THE CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE.
38 Farrand’s Records —GENERAL INDEX
39 American State Papers —INDEX TO FOREIGN RELATIONS. VOL. I.
40 American State Papers —INDEX TO FOREIGN RELATIONS. VOLUME IV.

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Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume: 3 January 1, 1776 - May 15, 1776
Benjamin Franklin to James Bowdoin

My dear Friend, Philada. Mar. 24. 1776 Inclos’d is an Answer to the Request from the Inhabitants of Dartmouth. I have comply’d with it upon your Recommendation, and ordered a Post accordingly.

I have put into Mr Adam’s Hands directed for you, the new Edition of Vattel When you have perus’d it, please to place it in your College Library.

(2)
I am just setting out for Canada, and have only time to add my best Wishes of Health & Happiness to you & all yours. Permit me to say my Love to Mrs Bowdoin, & believe me ever, with sincere & great Esteem, Yours most affectionately B Franklin

RC (MHi).

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Charles W.F. Dumas, an ardent supporter of the American cause, printed an edition of {The Law of Nations} in 1774, with his own notes illustrating how the book applied to the American situation.

In 1770, Dumas had met Franklin in Holland, and was one of Franklin's key collaborators in his European diplomacy. He sent three copies to Franklin, instructing him to send one to Harvard University, and to put one in the Philadelphia library.

Franklin sent Dumas a letter, Dec. 9, 1775, thanking him for the gift.
Franklin stated, ``I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations.
Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting ...|.''

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Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 22 November 1, 1784 - November 6, 1785
Elbridge Gerry to Timothy Pickering

Dear Sir, New York 15th Octr 1785
I am favoured with yours of the 11th, & have no Objection to your receiving the principal of my Debt, being £397.0.11/2,(1) provided I am secure for Costs in determining the Question of Interest-—;but should not this Stipulation be made previously to your receiving the Money, & be inserted in the Receipt for it?

I am in Want of the following Books from Messr Jackson & Dunn, & wish to know whether I must send the others to Phila., or deliver them to any Friend of those Gentlemen here. The Books wanted are Vattel’s Law of Nations.

(2) Burlamaqui’s principles of natural & political Law 8 vo.

(3) Burlamaqui’s Law of Nations(4) if the Reputation of it, is equal to his other works. Government of the Germanic Body, 8 vo. Grotius on War & peace 8 vo.

(5) if it is a Translation of his Whole Work de Jure Belli & Pacis. St Evremond in French is not what I want.(6)

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NBC Ping

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they had English copy. WTF

2 Two London editions of Emmerich de Vattel’s The Law of Nations were in circulation at this time: a 1759—;60 edition in 2 vols., and a 1760 edition in one.