Vattel Cited: Records of the Federal Convention1787 (Natural Born Citizen)

The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 [Farrand's Records, Volume 3] ^ | 1911 | Max Farrand

[philman_36]

...telling the majority of people who voted in the presidential election that their vote does not count...
Guess what, genius, there vote doesn't count! Only the votes of electors are counted. People vote for electors, not the president.
Newsflash, Oh Great Ignorant One, America isn't a Democracy (despite what your one eyed boob tube tells you every night), it's a Constitutional Republic!

(OMG how can people be this ignorant in this day and age of information technology!?)

[LibertyRocks]

I’m sorry... You must be mistaking the US for a pure democracy. That’s not all your fault though, the Lord knows that even our conservative politicians have pushed that notion into peoples’ heads by saying so. But, saying so doesn’t make it true.

The United States is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. The *will* of the people does not EVER override the Supreme Law of the Land — The U.S. Constitution.

And, perhaps you may have forgotten but if it weren’t for France we may not be here discussing this right now. Granted, they showed up quite late in the game, but there is no denying their role in our victory over the British.

[freethinker_for_freedom]

I am sure it is beyond your grasp.

[Fred Nerks]

this aussie is getting a sound history lesson, thanks.

[LibertyRocks]

:) — We are SO on the same page!

[Brown Deer]

Is the popular vote not an indicator of the popular will?

I don't know, can you please tell us more about President alGore?

[LibertyRocks]

ROFLMAO — SCOTUS is charged with overturning the will of the people when the “will of the people” results in UNCONSTITUTIONAL legislation or actions. PERIOD. Far from being an impartial witness it is SCOTUS who makes the determination of Constitutionality as a check and balance of the other two parts of the Federal Government. THAT IS THEIR JOB.

[Windflier]

The only thing that matters is what laws defined a natural born citizen in 1961.

The Constitution is senior to all laws and statutes. The Constitution is the foundation that all US law rests on. Not the other way around.

[pissant]

Bump to you and all my “birther” buds for collectively doing more research on Obama and the NBC here on FR (and your blogs) than the entire balance of the world media COMBINED

[Fred Nerks]

I personally believe that Obama lying to the FBI regarding Blago, and the motion to subpoena Obama to testify filed yesterday is what will bring him down.

Just let him be GONE and the rest will come out later.

[bushpilot1]

Resolved, N. C. D. 2. That our ancestors, who first settled these colonies, were at the time of their emigration from the mother country, entitled to all the rights, liberties, and immunities of free and natural-born subjects, within the realm of England.

Resolved, N. C. D. 3. That by such emigration they by no means forfeited, surrendered, or lost any of those rights, but that they were, and their descendants now are, entitled to the exercise and enjoyment of all such of them, as their local and other circumstances enable them to exercise and enjoy. 1774

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Thank you much.

[MHGinTN]

Bookmarking this one! Thanks for posting it.

[bushpilot1]

Resolved, N. C. D. 2. That our ancestors, who first settled these colonies, were at the time of their emigration from the mother country, entitled to all the rights, liberties, and immunities of free and natural-born subjects, within the realm of England.

Resolved, N. C. D. 3. That by such emigration they by no means forfeited, surrendered, or lost any of those rights, but that they were, and their descendants now are, entitled to the exercise and enjoyment of all such of them, as their local and other circumstances enable them to exercise and enjoy.

interesting..this is 1774..did they change subjects to citizens

[Red Steel]

I predict 2011 is going to be very bad year for Obama and his supporters.

[philman_36]

Is the popular vote not an indicator of the popular will?
No, the popular vote is not an indicator of the popular will. Pull your head out of your posterior, stop watching CNN and MSNBC and stop listening to leftist dribble from your teachers and/or professors.
Please. Use a little common sense.
All right, I'll shove my head up my posterior and pretend that we're a Democracy where my one vote could change the direction of a presidential election and believe that a 52.9% to 45.7% popular vote is an overwhelming indicator of popular will.
The populists (who are actually progressives) will love me and stop saying hurtful things to me then!

Does that fit your definition of common sense?

[American Dream 246]

THAT IS THEIR JOB.

Not anymore...

[shadowland]

“My statement as to being naive had to do with the poster’s thinking that the Supreme Court would have no qualms telling the majority of people who voted in the presidential election that their vote does not count because a French writer (French??!!) defined “natural born citizen” in a way that is at odds with what is commonly accepted.”

Actually Swiss but I’ve already been around that mulberry bush today. Ideally the SCOTUS should be above that. They should be completely impartial and impervious to the winds of popular sentiment. I do think it is naive to think they would take such enormous constitutional risks lightly - if that was your point. I was the poster and was merely stating that the law as they read it does not even contemplate a popular vote or even a popular will under Article II.

[bushpilot1]

seems prior to the constitution they we were natural born subjects and..after the constitution changed subject to citizen.

[Publius]

...the law as they read it does not even contemplate a popular vote or even a popular will under Article II.

Supreme Court Justices Really Do Follow Election Returns