Approaching apocalypse: Will Obama docs surface?

World Net Daily ^ | April 20, 2010 | Bob Unruh

[Smokeyblue]

The defense attorney for an officer refusing Army orders until Barack Obama documents his eligibility to be commander in chief has hinted that the president's proof of eligibility could come up during the course of the government's prosecution of his client.

"In the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice), just as you would expect, criminal defendants have the process of the court, for subpoenas and depositions under the rules that are prescribed," attorney Paul Jensen said during an interview today on the radio show of G. Gordon Liddy.

Jensen was on the program with his client, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, who posted a YouTube video inviting his own court-martial because he believes military orders under an ineligible president are illegal, and then posted a letter telling Obama that it's up to him to provide the proof.

"I'm not going to say what we are going to do other than we are going to do what you would want us to do," Jensen said.

He specifically avoided broadcasting any specific defense strategy for the case that is developing against Lakin – confirming that the officer was told in writing on Monday that he now has been "flagged" by the military and charges are expected to be filed soon.

[El Sordo]

So, if your spouse knows that the family spends three hundred dollars a month at the grocery store, and you bought some beer last time you went there. Well, then she can say you spent three hundred dollars on beer that month?

[garjog]

OK, so there COULD be a conspiracy on Obama’s birth, but maybe he actually was born in Hawaii after all.

Acoms Razor says that: ‘the simplest answer is usually the right answer’

There is so much more to be outraged about concerning our president.

The obsession that he wasn’t a natural born American is distracting us from working to defeat this guy and his buddies.

I agree with the following conservative leaders and I bet other Freepers in good standing agree as well:

Ann Coulter: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/ann-coulter-calls-birthers-cranks.php

Michael Medved: http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/07/michael-medved-takes-on-birthers

Media Matters: http://freeridemccain.com/factcheck/200907280002

Glenn Beck: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34625/

Mark Levin: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2487367/posts

National Review: http://article.nationalreview.com/401127/born-in-the-usa/the-editors

[lucysmom]

When he became president, he was not a millionaire, and his salary is under $300k/yr.

Actually Obama is a millionaire.

Obama's money
Net Worth: $1.3 million
Where he got it

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/5.html

Do you think 40 legal cases have been litigated for free? What number do you think is correct? I want to know where he got the money to pay for it.

There have been over 60 cases.

One Obama lawyer, Mr. Woocher, said he was working pro bono, and he has been represented in several instances by DOJ lawyers, so my guess is that he has laid out very little if any of his own money.

[little jeremiah]

Everyone knows you’re an idiot and a toadying obama suckup.

[little jeremiah]

This thread is rife with toadying obama suckups. They just drone with the same crapola all the time, no matter how many times they’ve been proven wrong.

[El Sordo]

Nope!

Unsurprisingly, you are incorrect about that too!

[BP2]

> Acoms Razor says that: ‘the simplest answer is usually the right answer’

> I agree with the following conservative leaders and I bet other Freepers in good standing agree as well:
> Ann Coulter, Michael Medved, etc.

Fair enough.
I generally agree with these Conservatives, too ... generally ... if they've done their homework.

So, what do you and these other Conservatives base your assumptions regarding Obama's Eligibility?

Occam's Razor notwithstanding, Hanlon's Razor states:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Now, Hanlon's Razor does not calculate for a person of Obama's integrity. Some of those on the Right may call Obama STUPID, but we all know he's anything but. Obama's a plotting, self-serving and MALICIOUS LIAR that will smile at you with ALL sincerity as he's stealing your purse or wallet, trying to make you feel guilty for not wanting to "share your wealth" willingly, while insinuating that you're also a RACIST.

Seriously garjob ... why are you placing TRUST that Obama is Legitimate in THESE people?

With THIS document ... which has never appeared in front of a Judge,
Jury, the MSM or any neutral party to be properly vetted for its veracity?

As Lenin himself said: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth"

[etraveler13]

When he became president, he was not a millionaire, and his salary is under $300k/yr.
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Actually Obama is a millionaire.

Obama’s money
Net Worth: $1.3 million
Where he got it

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/moneymag/0712/gallery.candidates.moneymag/5.html

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Please READ what I wrote, I said he “was not”, that is past tense. I am not arguing what he is today. Nor have you disputed his presidential salary.

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Do you think 40 legal cases have been litigated for free?
What number do you think is correct? I want to know where he got the money to pay for it.
***
There have been over 60 cases.

One Obama lawyer, Mr. Woocher, said he was working pro bono, and he has been represented in several instances by DOJ lawyers, so my guess is that he has laid out very little if any of his own money.

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Convieniently, you have ignored the 1/2 dozen or so posts I made, one after the other, with numbers in the hundereds of thousands of dollars for legal representation. This is not arbitrary money, but money specifically for defense. You sight not 40, but 60 cases, which expands the probability that the number is closer to $2mil, which breaks down to $33,500 per case. High for some, low for others, but... generally. You make a “guess” that it’s not true. That is an OPINION. I am fine with peoples opinions.
Who has produced more documentary evidence in this question? You, or I?
Since neither of us have produced “concrete” evidence totaling $2 mil, but there exist more than one court document questioning spending in excess of $1.7 Mil., Circumstantial evidence points to me being more right than you IMO.

[etraveler13]

That is why RECEIPTS exist in accounting. It shows where the money goes, and for what.

[El Sordo]

I’d agree.

Some large dollar amount went to this firm (the grocery) that did many things, including some work with eligibility lawsuits (the beer).

Can the whole dollar amount paid to that firm (the grocery) be assumed to have gone entirely towards eligibility lawsuits (the beer)?

Wouldn’t we then be assuming this firm did everything else for free?

So where does that leave us?

[etraveler13]

First I would agree with most of your premise. But with so much information being kept from the general public, personally, I tend to defer to the people taking this to the court systems. When someone makes the statement in court filings that 1.7 Mil has been spent on Obama’s defense, one would expect that the person making the statement in court documents, can back up those statements. I am not a lawyer, but conjecture that they either have the facts on hand, or could obtain them thru discovery. At this point, I have not read that those numbers have been challenged by the law firms representing Obama, or Obama himself. Certainly one is left with the question, Why does he refuse to show America his birth certificate, and just be done with it? The fact that he does not, to me, shows contempt for the people he is supposed to represent.

[lucysmom]

Please READ what I wrote, I said he “was not”, that is past tense. I am not arguing what he is today. Nor have you disputed his presidential salary.

You said when he became president, he was not a millionaire; I linked to an article that says he was. According to the article, Obama became a millionaire in 2005. What makes Obama a millionaire is not his income as president, but the total of his assets after liabilities are subtracted.

Convieniently, you have ignored the 1/2 dozen or so posts I made, one after the other, with numbers in the hundereds of thousands of dollars for legal representation.

You mean the posts you addressed to yourself

What you wrote is I want to know where he got the money to pay for it. I answered that.

Again, politicians have legal fees associated with their campaigns and raise money to pay them. In addition, lawyers do pro bono work (work for free), one of Obama's lawyers handling a birther case says he was working pro bono (there may be others, I don't know). Now the birther case are being handled by the DoJ. In short, Obama's representation has been paid for by his campaign, the DoJ (taxpayer), and lawyers donating their time.

Again, again, I doubt that Obama has laid out one dime of his own money to pay for his defense in birther cases. Whether or not Obama is a millionaire, or what his pay is as president is irrelevant.

Who has produced more documentary evidence in this question? You, or I?

I have answered the questions you posed; therefore I win. Perhaps you need to change your questions to make your documentary evidence relevant.

[Dutch Boy]

It sure would be a glaring coincidence if the One only ran is state were he didn’t have to show his BC.

[GOPsterinMA]

Glaring indeed. What’s sad is the MSM would label it as ‘racist’ or ‘radical’.

[etraveler13]

Poor Lucy must be very proud. I didn’t link evidence directly to you, one after the other, so it doesn’t exist?
Is that reality to you? Obama’s lions share of his wealth in accumulated assets, was not 1.3 million. The house belongs to the bank, not him. There also was a second on the house for 215K, for a 10’ strip of property on an adjoining lot. Also, his wife’s monies, were part of her fathers estate, in legal holdings, and she did not pay taxes on them, so cannot be counted. When he entered office, his monies from the campaign were not his, rather the DNC coffers. His value on entering office was 615K. Even the year after his wife got 312K from her father, their combined value was 917K. That is from the DNC records, which I am sure you know, and is covered on another thread. I am done doing your homework. Lets also not forget the school loans that they have not paid back or the debt that they have other than the house, ie. cars, other properties, improvements to the property not covered in the loans, etc.

[lucysmom]

Poor Lucy must be very proud. I didn’t link evidence directly to you, one after the other, so it doesn’t exist?

Not to FR's "New Posts to You" feature.

I am done doing your homework.

Good because you did the wrong assignment.

Lets also not forget the school loans that they have not paid back...

It was my understanding that Obama paid off his student loans with money he got from his first book. (Please, lets not go off on another tangent here)

What happened to the birther contention that Obama's education was paid for by a mysterious benefactor for nefarious purposes.

Out of respect for Conservatives you birthers need to come up with a coherent story. You're making the rest of us look bad.

[etraveler13]

I am not a birther. I am a constitutionalist.
Your statements do not contain links to prove your points, therefore, according to your own conduct, they are inconclusive. I don’t think anyone could figure out exactly what you want, because it continually changes, so I am happy not to do your homework.