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To: OldDeckHand

I am impressed with your persistence.

The original claim you make is that if Koresh had been an Islamic group, no one would defend him.

That is demonstrably false because of all the various kowtowing that is done to accommodate the false and frankly anti-muslim posing by the Left that makes heroes of Al Qaeda, Hamas, or any other Anti American entity. The complaints about waterboarding and panties on the head indicate that severe deference is provided in the public sphere for extremists interpreting Islam. These individuals are not to be treated harshly in any public sense. In fact, from the standpoint of the Left, to describe violent individuals as “terrorists” is explicitly inappropriate and among the deeper true reasons why these misunderstood souls engage in violence.

Had Koresh been an Islamic cleric, President Obama, the SLC, and a variety of major organizations would have urged us all to ‘not rush to judgment’ Specialist sensitive to alleged muslim grievances would have been brought in to validate, promote and encourage the public expression of the various fatwas that were being argued by the group.

Church State separation is the root metaphor of hostility that the Left is using on its right wing Chistians colleagues. Christians are rhetorically constructed as dangerous and must be kept behind walls. Muslims need to be understood and incorporating their beliefs into public school curriculum is for example a valuable exercise in multicultural understanding— even though it plainly violates dozens of Leftist court decisions designed to silence the most remote expressions of Christianity in public settings.

These arguments preclude your claim about how if Koresh were Muslim we would be fine with the government hostility.

Sleep well.


303 posted on 04/20/2010 7:50:47 PM PDT by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67
"...Had Koresh been an Islamic cleric, President Obama, the SLC, and a variety of major organizations would have urged us all to ‘not rush to judgment’..."

I do not believe this is factually possible.

305 posted on 04/20/2010 8:01:35 PM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: lonestar67
"The original claim you make is that if Koresh had been an Islamic group, no one would defend him."

No, that's not what I said. I said that if Koresh had been Muslim, on a Muslim compound the people who are defending him today, wouldn't be defending him. I'm sure that there would be scores of people on the kooky left that would have embraced all the conspiracy theories, just like they did on 9/11.

What I said was true, and continues to be true. There are search warrants issued in the WOT every day that are served on all kinds of Muslims, virtually without incident. Many of these warrants have been for locations that were Mosques. If you can show me a thread from FR that complains about the service of these search warrants on Mosques and Muslims, please link to it as I'd love to read the comments. I won't hold my breath.

Moreover, if a Muslim Imam was hold up in a fortified bunker, surrounding with children and armed to the teeth, I'm not sure (absent what happened in Waco) anyone would be too concerned with the feds making a forceful entry to serve that warrant.

306 posted on 04/20/2010 8:04:51 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: lonestar67
"These arguments preclude your claim about how if Koresh were Muslim we would be fine with the government hostility."

Oh, I should add that if you read this thread in its entirety, someone else takes issue with my Muslim analogy because (in their words) Christians aren't Muslims - the import being that whatever we do to them (Muslims) is just fine.

307 posted on 04/20/2010 8:09:43 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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