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Arizona House OKs Birther Bill
WND ^ | 4-10-10

Posted on 04/20/2010 12:47:47 AM PDT by hope

House votes to check candidates' citizenship Updated: Monday, 19 Apr 2010, 4:45 PM MDT Published : Monday, 19 Apr 2010, 4:44 PM MDT

PHOENIX (AP) -- The Arizona House on Monday voted for a provision that would require President Barack Obama to show his birth certificate if he hopes to be on the state's ballot when he runs for re-election.

The House voted 31-22 to add the provision to a separate bill. The measure still faces a formal vote.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxphoenix.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; az; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamaisabirther
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To: MHGinTN
Well, since the Internet facsimile you claim is a valid CoLB is in fact a construct not an actual original unaltered document from the state of Hawaii, you can answer your queries with ‘so far the sonofabitch in the Oval Office has not brought forth a valid shred of proof’.

I am making the assumption that Obama didn't attempt to get a passport with a scanned image published on the internet.

221 posted on 04/22/2010 12:29:52 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
Here you go troll. Two different seals. You show me another seal from a Hawaiian COLB that is a match to Obama's seal. Here's a clue you won't find one.



222 posted on 04/22/2010 12:31:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Herbster
Our Obammy COLB does not have any indication that there was any kind of ammendments what so ever.
Wouldn’t there be some sort of reference?

It just might be possible that there aren't any amendments.

223 posted on 04/22/2010 12:32:31 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

The ‘scanned image’ on the Internet is not an image of a valid CoLB if it were actually for Barry from Hawaii ... but then you’ve had the ‘amended’ factor explained to you many times yet you ignore the realities in favor of posting deceit.


224 posted on 04/22/2010 12:34:11 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: lucysmom

In that case, your hero is still an Indonesian citizen and his legal father is Lolo Soetoro, now deceased. Let go of your tail and come up for air, obamanoid.


225 posted on 04/22/2010 12:35:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Red Steel
Here you go troll. Two different seals. You show me another seal from a Hawaiian COLB that is a match to Obama's seal.

Hmm - I see what you mean, the real seal is round while Obama's is not. The circle of dots is distinctive while those on Obama's run together and are blurry, same thing going on with the type and outer circle.

Was the same equipment used to make both impressions? Were both images produced by the same scanner, at the same resolution, with the same settings? Are both images the same generation?

Without the answers to those questions, the evidence is meaningless.

226 posted on 04/22/2010 1:00:22 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: MHGinTN
... but then you’ve had the ‘amended’ factor explained to you many times yet you ignore the realities in favor of posting deceit.

The "amended factor" is speculation.

A reality is something that actually exists or did exist, not speculation.

I agree there is deceit going on and it ain't commin from me. Some people know their claims are false, like Polarik's morphing resume, and others place too much faith in the wrong place.

227 posted on 04/22/2010 1:06:00 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

I see you didn’t come up with a raised seal from an Hawaiian COLB that is the same as the Obama forged seal. This graphic has been out in the public Internet for about a year and a half and you Obots have yet to come up with a match. The obvious answer is that Obama’s Certification of Live Birth is a forgery.


228 posted on 04/22/2010 1:10:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MHGinTN
In that case, your hero is still an Indonesian citizen and his legal father is Lolo Soetoro, now deceased.

Good grief, one sentence and so many falsehoods!

1. Obama is not my hero.

2. There is no PROOF that Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen.

3. There is no proof that Lolo Soetoro is Obama's legal father.

229 posted on 04/22/2010 1:11:35 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Windflier

White House aides are scoffing at a move in the Arizona legislature to force President Obama to show his birth certificate to get on the state’s ballot in 2012 for his likely re-election battle.

“This is a question that has been answered exhaustively,” White House spokesman Bill Burton told CNN. “I can’t imagine Arizona voters think their tax dollars are well served by a legislature that is less focused on their lives than in fringe right-wing radio conspiracy theories.”

Here is the BIG Question — why is the White House not saying,

“We welcome the decision by the State of Arizona to require that anyone including the President, who wishes to run for a State or Federal Office in Arizona to prove their birth
in the United States of America. This action is imperative so as to assure all Americans that those who seek public office in the Federal or State arena, should be required to produce documentation, including a long form birth certificate. Should the President decide to run for a 2nd term, such certificate will be presented to the appropriate authorities in the State of Arizona.

I smell a BIG F’n RAT!!!!


230 posted on 04/22/2010 1:14:13 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: Red Steel
I see you didn’t come up with a raised seal from an Hawaiian COLB that is the same as the Obama forged seal.

Nor did you answer my questions.

Without those answers, we really can't have anything more than a speculative discussion that might be an interesting pass time but not get us any closer to the truth.

Again, the evidence of two seals are meaningless without more information.

231 posted on 04/22/2010 1:27:10 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

Good grief, one sentence and so many falsehoods!

1. Obama is not my hero.

2. There is no PROOF that Obama was ever an Indonesian citizen.

3. There is no proof that Lolo Soetoro is Obama’s legal father.


Oh my!

Do us a favor and take the 5 minute Alzheimers test.
Please darling?


232 posted on 04/22/2010 1:40:57 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: lucysmom
Speculative? Meaningless? There are two seals we see with our own eyes Obot that are different. One is known to have come from a genuine COLB and the other we know now as a forgery. The two seals do not match. Nothing speculative or meaningless about it. Again, you have not shown us an authentic Hawaiian COLB seal that matches the forged Obama seal for which you guys have not been able to produce for a year and a half.

Nor did you answer my questions.

Your link is to some Obot doing all his analysis on "Techdude's" work. If you look up this thread you'll see where I say to the paid Obot Jamese777 in post 202 that TechDude is discredited and why.

233 posted on 04/22/2010 1:53:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It seems LucyMom does not have the same information.
Perhaps, we need to hold her hand.


234 posted on 04/22/2010 2:00:02 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: Herbster

I don’t think that will work either. She’s a kool-aid drinking Obot who exclusively trolls these threads.


235 posted on 04/22/2010 2:02:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Mr. Wright
White House aides are scoffing at a move in the Arizona legislature to force President Obama to show his birth certificate to get on the state’s ballot in 2012 for his likely re-election battle.

And, in doing so, they reveal the truth. We've known all along that Barry can't prove his constitutional eligibility. The nasty statements by his henchmen prove that he can't.

As you said, their proper response to this bill should have been a relaxed welcome of this tightened scrutiny, if their boss is indeed what he claims to be.

236 posted on 04/22/2010 2:36:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Red Steel
The two seals do not match. Nothing speculative or meaningless about it. Again, you have not shown us an authentic Hawaiian COLB seal that matches the forged Obama seal for which you guys have not been able to produce for a year and a half.

I agree the seals do not match. I doubt that I will ever find a seal that matches the distorted image from Obama's CoLB because it is distorted. To issue a challenge to find a match indicates that you do not understand some basic concepts or worse, that YOU are deliberately engaged in an attempt at misdirection.

Your link is to some Obot doing all his analysis on "Techdude's" work.

Ooops, sorry. Try this

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

In my previous blog entry, "Bad Science: How Not To Do Image Analysis", I debunked the work of an anonymous troll who called himself "TechDude". TechDude used a sample biased, false data, and artifacts created by his own tools to conclude that the Obama certificate of live birth (COLB) was fake. TechDude also used false credentials (he impersonated another person) in order to sound authoritative. Following my public critique of his report and outing of the impersonation, TechDude vanished. Even his strongest supporter, "Texas Darlin", pulled all of TechDude's reports from her blog. TechDude was a fraud and used bad science to support a false conspiracy.

Today, there is only one person who continues to propagate the "COLB is fake" conspiracy. He calls himself "Ron Polarik" (an anonymous pseudonym -- not his real name), and he also uses bad science to support his claims.

237 posted on 04/22/2010 2:48:35 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

Why do you think the FactCheck experts did not get a clear photo of the seal?

Why is the color of the safty paper like off white, tan or brown, and not green like the safty paper the scan jpeg fake image?


238 posted on 04/22/2010 2:56:58 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: Herbster

I thought I spelled it right the first time...
I’m new..;p

check like security safety paper


239 posted on 04/22/2010 2:59:23 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: lucysmom
You guys have about as much credibility as Obama does.

You can't really rufute that it is not a forgery. How about you get Obama to quit behaving like a criminal and show that COLB of his who you guys say is a genuine and unaltered document to a controlling authority? How about Obama authorize Hawaii's DoH to let the press see his bona fides on record in their possession?

No other presidential candidates wiil have problems in submitting affidavits stating they are natural born citizens in 2012 and attach their birth certificates with the affidavits to the state of Arizona. Will they Obot?

No they won't. Just the guys who act like criminals and a guy named Barack Obama will find this requirment toooooo hard and cumbersome for them to do. You guys are absurd in your defiance.


I agree the seals do not match.

OK, even a person who is a Cro-magnon can conclude Obama's COLB is a forgery.

I doubt that I will ever find a seal that matches the distorted image from Obama's CoLB because it is distorted.

BS. It is clear enough of an image to look for a match. Alas, there isn't any.

240 posted on 04/22/2010 3:20:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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