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LA Times: Why cleaner air could speed global warming
LA Times ^ | April 18, 2010 | By Eli Kintisch

Posted on 04/18/2010 6:18:32 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Cleaner air, one of the signature achievements of the U.S. environmental movement, is certainly worth celebrating.

But even as industrialized and developing nations alike steadily reduce aerosol pollution -- caused primarily by burning coal -- climate scientists are beginning to understand just how much these tiny particles have helped keep the planet cool.

In the face of severe climate risks, credible scientists are beginning to study geo-engineering -- tinkering with global systems to reduce warming directly. One scheme is to spew sulfates or other sun-blocking particles miles high in the stratosphere. If it worked, it would mimic the natural cooling effect of volcanoes, replacing the near-surface sulfate mask with a much higher one. But the possible side effects could be dire, including damage to the ozone layer. The potential geopolitical implications, like wars over the thermostat, could be devastating as well.

We might need geo-engineering to stave off the worst effects of the warming. But most climate scientists think we're not there yet. And so the most important thing we can do now is to train our sights on both the unexpectedly helpful sulfates and the unexpectedly pernicious carbon. We can't continue to only focus on traditional pollutants without reducing greenhouse emissions. We simply have to find a way to clean our air of both.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climategate; failure; hoax; socialism
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1 posted on 04/18/2010 6:18:32 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Cleaner air might speed up a scam? That doesn’t sound likely.


2 posted on 04/18/2010 6:22:21 AM PDT by highlander_UW (First we take down the Democrats, then we clean the Augean stable that is the GOP.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let’s see.

Pollution causes global warming.

Clean air causes global warming.

Everything causes global warming.

LOL They must think the people are beyond dumb.


3 posted on 04/18/2010 6:23:08 AM PDT by Oklahoma
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I give up.


4 posted on 04/18/2010 6:23:09 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: Oklahoma

La Times is filled with blithering idiots.


5 posted on 04/18/2010 6:24:24 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
In the face of severe climate risks, credible scientists are beginning to study geo-engineering -- tinkering with global systems to reduce warming directly.

Ahh yes, we must control the temperature of the entire planet -what could go wrong?

I think geo-engineering is an interesting thing to study, but I think it's feasible on only smaller areas.

Orbital mirrors that can reflect or block the sun could alter areas a few miles across, but at great expense.

6 posted on 04/18/2010 6:28:50 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Brett66

Just burn some of the high sulfur coal we’re blessed with.


7 posted on 04/18/2010 6:37:29 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; 4horses+amule; Nervous Tick; Amagi; Beowulf; Tunehead54; Clive; Fractal Trader; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 04/18/2010 6:41:01 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The entire greenhouse effect theory is bogus to begin with.


9 posted on 04/18/2010 6:41:43 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
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climate scientists are beginning to understand...

Of course they are just beginning to understand. Which is why they need to STFU as to AGW.

10 posted on 04/18/2010 6:43:56 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is not new information. Well, perhaps it is for the LA Slimes. But I seem to recall reading something along these very same lines over a decade ago.


11 posted on 04/18/2010 6:43:57 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Free Vulcan
The entire greenhouse effect theory is bogus to begin with.

They are still stuck on the "settled science" premise and moving forward like a bulldog.

12 posted on 04/18/2010 6:45:16 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Lazamataz

Lazamataz, you’re right. It’s impossible to do satire anymore.


13 posted on 04/18/2010 6:45:23 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Greenhouse gases in the air cause global warming."

"Carbon in the air causes global warming."

So...we clean up the air and...

"Cleaner air causes global warming.".

TRUTH: It's spring in the northern hemisphere and that brings out the global warming nuts.

What's next? "Global Warming causes Global Warming?"
14 posted on 04/18/2010 7:06:47 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

War on success.


15 posted on 04/18/2010 7:12:13 AM PDT by M203M4 (Durn it! Every time I go out boating, I lose another one!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Dammit man I'm vomiting up my guts as fast as I can!

-- Signed, Iceland Volcano

16 posted on 04/18/2010 7:17:07 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: screaminsunshine

“La Times is filled with blithering idiots.”

Actually, anyone who buys, subsribes to or reads the LA Slimes is a blithering idiot.


17 posted on 04/18/2010 7:42:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Use your $'s as weapons! Boycott Gay Frisco, since they keep Pelosi in congress.)
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To: AFreeBird
This is not new information. Well, perhaps it is for the LA Slimes. But I seem to recall reading something along these very same lines over a decade ago.

Mount St. Helens did the same thing, as did Saddam Hussein when he torched the oil wells in Kuwait when he exited. Both incidences caused the temperature to drop 2-3 degrees. And we are supposed to be alarmed by a couple 10ths of a degree over the course of a century because of AGW?

18 posted on 04/18/2010 7:52:22 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Obama - He has nothing to say, but will say it anyway)
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To: jiggyboy

One scheme is to spew sulfates or other sun-blocking particles miles high in the stratosphere. If it worked, it would mimic the natural cooling effect of volcanoes, replacing the near-surface sulfate mask with a much higher one. But the possible side effects could be dire, including damage to the ozone layer. The potential geopolitical implications, like wars over the thermostat, could be devastating as well.

I’m double checking the date written.. Did they really say that for real?????

FYI

1816 - The Year without a Summer. Introduction The period 1812-1817 was one of exceptional volcanic activity, and the sheer volume of volcanic dust pumped into the atmosphere by

...The last time Eyjafjallajökull blew its top the eruption lasted for two years, spreading smoke and ash over Iceland causing significant damage.The last time Eyjafjallajökull erupted, it lasted 2 years stretching from 1821-1823 .


19 posted on 04/18/2010 7:54:09 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Go Gordon
Mount St. Helens did the same thing, as did Saddam Hussein when he torched the oil wells in Kuwait when he exited. Both incidences caused the temperature to drop 2-3 degrees. And we are supposed to be alarmed by a couple 10ths of a degree over the course of a century because of AGW?

IOW, cleaner air causes global warming!!!

20 posted on 04/18/2010 7:57:04 AM PDT by airborne ("Peace, Love, Dope" has now become "Hope, Change, Obama" !!!)
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