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Was Jesus a Marxist?
The American Thinker ^ | April 18, 2010 | Robin Of Berkeley

Posted on 04/17/2010 11:53:09 PM PDT by Brugmansian

After my first Christmas mass, I felt strange for days. As hard as I tried, I couldn't put my finger on why.

A week later, it dawned on me -- I felt peaceful. Aha! No wonder I was stumped! . . .

I headed out to a few more lovely services -- at a synagogue, a Lutheran church, and, my personal favorite, Assemblies of God (as a perk, Sarah Palin's church of choice).

While perusing the Yellow Pages, I eyed another contender -- a church in a nearby town that touted superb music and a dynamic congregation.

When I called to find out more, I was pleased that the minister himself answered the phone. When I asked him to describe his church, he answered rather sternly, "We do God's work through social justice."

Taken aback, I said, "I'm looking for a church that focuses on God, not politics."

He countered vociferously, "We get to God through social justice!"

"That's a matter of dispute," I responded. "Thank you for your time." Click.

When I got off the phone, I was shaken up -- literally. My entire body was shaking.

It was partly the creepiness of a minister sounding so possessed . . . insidious is the new crop of leftists. Wearing the cloak of respectability, they trick the masses through flowery words about hope and change.

But those of us who recognize Light also know the chill of darkness. The Left is nocturnal. Its followers live and breathe in the dark . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
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To: Brugmansian

No, He beleived in God.


21 posted on 04/18/2010 3:02:00 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: filbert
I do not think Jesus would teach us that it is a virtue to be generous with other people’s money.

Agreed. IMHO Jesus would consider such "generosity" to be theft.

22 posted on 04/18/2010 3:03:41 AM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: Brugmansian

Jesus would not be considered political in any way by today’s standards, because He taught forgiveness and to “go your way and sin no more”.


23 posted on 04/18/2010 3:10:31 AM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Brugmansian
Goal #27 of the 47 goals that the Soviets wrote to take America over, with communism, from the inside:
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

24 posted on 04/18/2010 3:21:37 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Brugmansian

Jesus wasn’t a Marxist but Judas Iscariot was...”ought not that box of perfume had been sold and the money given to the poor” he said in criticism of a prostitute who poured perfume onto Jesus’ feet. Judas was a thief who liked to steal from the money box that he kept for the group; just like a typical Communist apparatchik and the criticism he used was typical of communist reasoning!


25 posted on 04/18/2010 4:18:55 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: mdmathis6

Why didn’t you give me that citation ten years ago? I’ve been explaining to leftists forever it seems that, no, communism isn’t what Christianity truly is. Judas ends that argument of theirs fast.


26 posted on 04/18/2010 5:50:36 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: historyrepeatz
I hope this writer’s not implying Obama could be Jesus.

How the heck could you get that from the article?

27 posted on 04/18/2010 5:55:47 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: CitizenUSA
Social justice is “getting involved in civilian affairs.”

Part of the problem is that the term "social justice" is essentially undefined. It means a lot of differing things to different people.

There are principles subsumed under Christian social thinking that few on this board would argue with.

The difficulty in these discussions arises when terms go undefined and can be bastardized by the left as euphemisms for communist ideals. The left is good at redefining language like this. Just think of the way terms are used by proabortionists.

28 posted on 04/18/2010 6:02:18 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: mountn man
The Old Testament tells us that a good parent leaves an inheritance for their children.

So does the N.T. I read it very recently, I don't remember which book. Paraphrased: Parents are supposed to store up for their children, not children for the parents. Might have been 1st or 2nd Corinthians.

29 posted on 04/18/2010 6:28:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney, not now, not ever!)
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To: 21twelve

Paul’s letter to the Corinthians said, if someone doesn’t work, then they don’t eat. That’s a paraphrase.

Paul did accept free will offerings and then usually if not always, gave them to needy churches. Paul himself worked as a tent maker.


30 posted on 04/18/2010 6:31:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (No Romney, not now, not ever!)
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To: Graybeard58

“Paul himself worked as a tent maker.”

Did Paul ever make any clothes for Rosie O’Donnell or Oprah?


31 posted on 04/18/2010 6:36:18 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Brugmansian

Jesus was not a Marxist. Marx was born almost 2,000 years later.


32 posted on 04/18/2010 9:15:57 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (The Tree of Liberty ....)
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To: Mike Darancette

Jesus was not a marixst, he was God incarnate. Obama the marxist just delusionally thinks and acts like he’s God.


33 posted on 04/18/2010 9:22:55 AM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Brugmansian

God has been teaching me as fast as I could absorb with this stubborn heart of mine. In another post I refered to Judas Iscariot as the first “social justice advocate” and the Freeper Jeff Chandler adopted that phrase as his tag line! It’s humbling really because the whole nasty business is revealed thru Iscariot’s character.

I was sitting in a church about 2 years ago when they showed a film where some clown, I wish I remember the name now, castigated properous Christian Americans for being...well prosperous. We weren’t giving enough, we weren’t caring enough. Several times this guy would say...”You Americans are so rich....followed by examples of how we had so many of these gadgets while the poor nations didn’t. There was snearing and satire in the man’s voice, not a loving exhortation to give “as the Lord would lead”. My entire “inside place” was in full rebellion to what I was hearing...the words sounded right but something was amiss.

I mean who is going to argue that giving to the poor is a bad thing, and even Christ exhorted that we should “give in secret so that the father who watches in secret will reward openly”. Then as Easter was then approaching I thought of the words of Judas when our Lord’s feet was being anointed with perfume and the whole scheme of some of the money hucksters and “social justice” church bashers just simply opened up to me...the psychology and what was at the root of the hearts of some of these “social justice folks” so besetting many of the churches today! And make no mistake, these people would betray the source of all Justice, Jesus, in the name of some tom fool notion of “social justice”, as seen from their pushing of churches towards apostacy, just as Judas did!


34 posted on 04/18/2010 11:14:26 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: Brugmansian

Jesus is a royalist.


35 posted on 04/18/2010 11:15:25 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Brugmansian

Nonsense - Was Marx a Christian?


36 posted on 04/18/2010 11:21:27 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: mountn man

“The Old Testament tells us that a good parent leaves an inheritance for their children. “

Ecclesiastes has a slightly different take on that sentiment, speaking of the vanity of a man who builds up wealth all of his life then dies, leaving it to lazy and selfish children. Now in terms of leaving some land, a little capitol, and a strong set of instilled godly values, then indeed a parent did well in OT times. Sometimes a poorer parent did well simply by instilling Godly values.


37 posted on 04/18/2010 11:32:57 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: mdmathis6
Several times this guy would say...”You Americans are so rich....followed by examples of how we had so many of these gadgets while the poor nations didn’t. There was snearing and satire in the man’s voice, not a loving exhortation to give “as the Lord would lead”.

Materialism is not having things, its things having you. This guys problem was materialism.

He looked at what others had.

Coveting is not limited to wanting what others have for yourself, its also NOT WANTING someone else to have them.

Study after study has been done on the giving of conservatives vs liberals- by liberals- and conservatives always, as a group give noticeably more than liberals.

When one looks at the giving of Americans, there is something never looked at. When anti-americans look at American giving, they look at the easiest stats to find, giving of the American government. What they fail to take into account is that when a natural disaster hits like in Haiti or the tsunami in Indonesia, they fail to see our military there, organizing or directing relief efforts, or controlling hostilities, like pirates or warlords. There is tremendous cost involved with the logistics that a carrier task force performs. Area defense, search and rescue, communications, cargo hauling, personel hauling, power production, water desalinization...etc...

Lets not forget that this military IS READY at a moments notice. Its not simply assembled during the emergency, then disguarded. Its always there, always ready. That costs something to. Why are no other countries supplying this?

Another point is governmental giving vs private giving. Its one thing to point to governmental giving (minus military expenditures) and quote some per capita mumbo jumbo. But NEVER do you see a combined statistic of governmental giving AND personal giving.

The countries that tout higher per capita giving are comparing the governmental giving vs our governmental giving. Most of these have a socialistic background, and don't look at the fact that the citizens of their countries feel that its governments responsibility to give aid, and not personal. So personal giving is down. Meanwhile, here in the US, most individuals look at giving as a personal issue and give more, ON TOP of our governmental giving.

Also remember that 47% of the US population doesn't pay taxes anyway, so that means 53% of the people are the ones being taxed to give all our aid to others. (so if per capita giving seems low, blame the half that doesn't pay taxes.)

And since the 47% who don't pay taxes tend to vote democrat for the free handouts, that means the 53% who do pay taxes are more than likely to be conservatives.

Add to the mix, that studies show that conservatives give on average more than liberals exposes the stat even more.

Next, lets look at some of the largest aid orginizations. World Vision, Samaritans Purse, Red Cross, Habitat For Humanity, Catholic Charities. All these orginizations were started by Christians. Most still operate as Christian organizations. Most of there funding comes from Christians.

Lastly, to be a follower of Christ, one must follow Christ and be Christ like. Christ calls us to help the poor and needy. TRUE CHRISTIANS don't just help and give for "humanitarian" or "secular" purposes, we have ADDITIONAL motivation to give. Our God commands and expects us to give. Maybe the so called "christians" who aren't giving, aren't really christians, or are christians in name only. They have their fire insurance and that is all.

If it were possible, I think that if a truly objective study WERE ABLE to be done, and every type of giving, and background given, Conservative Christians would be the overwhelming givers in America.

One other thing. As Christians, Christ told us that when we give, we are not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. How many Christians give to church food pantries, or cars ministries, or youth camps, or offering plates, or put money in an envelope that "mysteriously" ends up in someone in needs mailbox? How many of these give without claiming a tax deduction or writing a check, not leaving a paper trail?

38 posted on 04/18/2010 12:14:25 PM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: johniegrad

That’s an excellent point about “social justice” meaning different things to different people. It’s a simple fact that leftists like to pervert the meaning of such terms and phrases to hide their true agenda. Abortion is “pro-choice” for example. It’s all propaganda. Few people would buy what the left is selling if they came right out and said what they meant.

You are also correct about Christianity. What could possibly be more just than life as God intended? Good works do not earn anyone a ticket to heaven, but they are evidence of a changed heart. Of course, the left also perverts the meaning of the word “good.”


39 posted on 04/18/2010 3:17:53 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: Brugmansian

Thanks for posting. I enjoy her writings. They provide a look inside the “belly of the beast” that is Berkeley.


40 posted on 04/18/2010 3:24:41 PM PDT by Cymbaline (Bipartisan consensus - that's like when my doctor and my lawyer agree with my wife that I need help.)
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