You Have the Right to Remain Silent (LT Colonel Lakin Read His Rights)

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[etraveler13]

To: Mr Rogers
I have been having this debate for a long time, and Uncle Chip has nothing to do with it. It goes back to Vattel, as you no doubt know. The framers of the constitution used this as a reference document, blackwell also contributed.
By EVERY definition, Obama is not a NBC, and the court cases you will no doubt cite, were first posted by me, and they do not grant Obama or any other person without citizen parents NBC status.

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To: etraveler13
The courts HAVE disagreed with you, and they specifically have addressed the questions you raise.

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To: Mr Rogers
Really, perhaps you prove that.

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I am waiting....

[Joe Marine 76]

I believe you’re correct. LTC Lakin should NOT have had right read to him since he had not been charged.

I just check it out. Art 31 UCMJ: Compulsory Self-Incrimination Prohibited.... essentially “military Miranda.”

[etraveler13]

As has been said previously
“The DOH has indicated by virtue of information requests that Obama’s certificate was amended, which means the alleged COLB is a forgery. They’ve also shown evidence that they’ve ignored their own laws that would LEGALLY allow them to release Obama’s records and/or confirm the authenticity of his alleged COLB. There’s also been the discovery of information that makes it apparent that Obama’s certificate as photographed by factlack dot org is fraudulent. And more recently, it’s been discovered that Obama’s own wife says Kenya is his home country, and in his home country, this Minister of Land says Obama was born in Kenya. Further, historical writings have been discovered that further enforce the Minor and WKA definitions of NBC that a person must be born in the country of citizen parents.”

[Mr Rogers]

In 1964, Kenya gained its independence. The folks who were citizens of the UK via Kenya became Kenyan citizens. However, if they were dual citizens, with citizenship elsewhere (such as America), they had until the age of 21 to renounce all allegiance to the other country. Failing to do so, they would lose their citizenship in Kenya.

“A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.”

http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#97

As I have pointed out and the courts have upheld, another country cannot ‘force’ you to be a citizen. They can declare anything they want, just as Putin could declare that all US citizens are automatically and until death citizens of Russia - which would, by your theory, make it impossible for anyone to be President since all Americans would also be Russians. And with no CINC, there would be no more military and Russia could take us over by fiat.

Yes, that is a stupid idea which is why courts do not support the idea that another country can force you to be a citizen (or subject, to use the old British term).

In Aug 1982, Barack Obama, having failed to renounce his US citizenship, lost dual citizenship in Kenya.

Again, every state, darn near every voter, the Electoral College and Congress and the Supreme Court all KNEW about Obama’s father, and NONE OF THEM considered it disqualifying. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

Only birther losers consider it an issue - and that is why birthers have a perfect record of LOSING every case that comes to a court.

Or have you not noticed that your side keeps losing? Every single time. You can waive the British Act of 1948 as much as you want, but it doesn’t change squat. Obama is not a citizen or subject of the UK. He is not a dual citizen of Kenya. And only LOSERS run around claiming otherwise...

[Mr Rogers]

I posted a link to the decision. If you haven’t read it, that is your problem.

You MIGHT notice that the Supreme Court wouldn’t even LISTEN to your arguments. Most folks would find that significant. And no, Vattel is not a legally binding interpretation, which is, again, why you LOSE every case that goes to court.

[Mr Rogers]

“Pictures on the internet have to be correct right? Does that make this legit?”

As you know, the state of Hawaii, including its REPUBLICAN Governor, has backed up Obama’s certificate. It is Hawaii’s government that makes it legitimate.

You can ignore that, but 50 states, Congress and every court has paid attention. And birthers keep losing...

[Artemis Webb]

"What?! And be accused of TRYING TO GET HIM BANNED?!"

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
Hamlet Act 3, scene 2

[presently no screen name]

You are a birther, and birthers need no proof.

WRONG! ONLY a Dumb@$$ doesn't want proof - like you who plays follow the leader off a cliff.

[edge919]

As I have pointed out and the courts have upheld, another country cannot ‘force’ you to be a citizen. They can declare anything they want, just as Putin could declare that all US citizens are automatically and until death citizens of Russia - which would, by your theory, make it impossible for anyone to be President since all Americans would also be Russians. And with no CINC, there would be no more military and Russia could take us over by fiat.

Sorry, but this is a nonsense claim. Being the child of a foreign national would be recognized as granting that child citizenship/inheritance rights in virtually any court in the world. It's not based on an arbitrary or random declaration and it's nonsense to suggest that it's in any way comparable.

In Aug 1982, Barack Obama, having failed to renounce his US citizenship, lost dual citizenship in Kenya.

We don't know whether he renounced his U.S. citizenship or not. Like all other details in Obama's past, this is simply undocumented. Second, if he was native born in Kenya, it's not clear when and how Obama would have obtained U.S. citizenship to begin with. He might have had Indonesian citizenship by the time he was required by Kenyan law to renounce other citizenships, but it wouldn't matter because Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship and he may already renounced his U.S., Kenyan and British citizenships. Again, there just isn't enough information out there to let us know which of his four continental citizenships Obama declared and held.

Obama is not a citizen or subject of the UK. He is not a dual citizen of Kenya.

We definitely know he is not a natural born citizen of the United States. Anything else is speculative and undocumented.

[edge919]

As you know, the state of Hawaii, including its REPUBLICAN Governor, has backed up Obama’s certificate.

Please find a direct quote from Governor Lingle saying that Obama's alleged COLB is authentic. We'll wait ... and wait ... and wait ...

[LibertyRocks]

Wow... your “tone” has changed a lot from yesterday. And here I thought you were just uneducated as to the FACTS in this case. NO-ONE on this thread I think is surprised to see your post. It’s clear that #1 you are NOT here to discuss the issues. And, #2 it is CLEAR that you are a bigoted fool.

So, how much is Obama paying his internet forum minions these days?

[conservativegramma]

As you know, the state of Hawaii, including its REPUBLICAN Governor, has backed up Obama’s certificate. It is Hawaii’s government that makes it legitimate.

Wrong. All Hawaii's government did (including said GOP Governor) was to claim there is a certificate on file. Nothing about what is ON that certificate. Since Hawaii in 1961 allowed those who were foreign born to be issued certificates, what is ON that certificate is an important question and that information should be released publicly.

But Obama upon taking office immediately issued an executive order sealing all his personal bonafides and you don't find that the least bit suspicious????

On another note I find it fascinating that Obama managed to be born twice in two different Hawaiian hospitals:

Takes a lot of talent to claim you were born in two different hospitals and you think birthers are stupid! BWA HA HA HA

[LibertyRocks]

I just KNEW it — boy how his tone has changed since yesterday when I thought he was just a misguided fool. Now, it’s clear he is a BIGOTED fool as well. SO sick of these folks — when will Obama get a clue? No matter how many folks he sics on this forum and others we will not back down... Obama is unqualified - PERIOD - I don’t care if he was born in the WHITE HOUSE he would STILL be ineligible!

[jcsjcm]

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

This is the statement - there is no indication that they verify that the birth certificate posted on the internet is valid. She never said that the .jpeg is correct! Only that they hold and have seen the original birth certificate that they have on file. Well, lets see it and all the amendments related to it!

[Mr Rogers]

“So, how much is Obama paying his internet forum minions these days?”

I dunno, but I haven’t gotten a raise since I started posting here in 1998!

[conservativegramma]

EXACTLY! Unless these fools can prove Obama’s daddy was someone other than Barack Obama Sr. - he’s not natural born!

But then that would require the birth certificate wouldn’t it?

LOL!

[presently no screen name]

that is why birthers have a perfect record of LOSING every case that comes to a court.

So, they lost because the courts proclaimed Barry is a natural born citizen?

[etraveler13]

I did not see a link to anything, or I would not have written back without reading it. Please point out the link.
Thank you...

[Mr Rogers]

“So, they lost because the courts proclaimed Barry is a natural born citizen?”

Yes.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

Other courts, such as the US Supreme Court, have refused to even hear the birther case...which is a pretty good indication they consider it frivolous.

[presently no screen name]

Your mindset warrants you to misread it.