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To: Uncle Chip

In 1964, Kenya gained its independence. The folks who were citizens of the UK via Kenya became Kenyan citizens. However, if they were dual citizens, with citizenship elsewhere (such as America), they had until the age of 21 to renounce all allegiance to the other country. Failing to do so, they would lose their citizenship in Kenya.

“A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.”

http://kenya.rcbowen.com/constitution/chap6.html#97

As I have pointed out and the courts have upheld, another country cannot ‘force’ you to be a citizen. They can declare anything they want, just as Putin could declare that all US citizens are automatically and until death citizens of Russia - which would, by your theory, make it impossible for anyone to be President since all Americans would also be Russians. And with no CINC, there would be no more military and Russia could take us over by fiat.

Yes, that is a stupid idea which is why courts do not support the idea that another country can force you to be a citizen (or subject, to use the old British term).

In Aug 1982, Barack Obama, having failed to renounce his US citizenship, lost dual citizenship in Kenya.

Again, every state, darn near every voter, the Electoral College and Congress and the Supreme Court all KNEW about Obama’s father, and NONE OF THEM considered it disqualifying. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH.

Only birther losers consider it an issue - and that is why birthers have a perfect record of LOSING every case that comes to a court.

Or have you not noticed that your side keeps losing? Every single time. You can waive the British Act of 1948 as much as you want, but it doesn’t change squat. Obama is not a citizen or subject of the UK. He is not a dual citizen of Kenya. And only LOSERS run around claiming otherwise...


664 posted on 04/14/2010 9:31:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
As I have pointed out and the courts have upheld, another country cannot ‘force’ you to be a citizen. They can declare anything they want, just as Putin could declare that all US citizens are automatically and until death citizens of Russia - which would, by your theory, make it impossible for anyone to be President since all Americans would also be Russians. And with no CINC, there would be no more military and Russia could take us over by fiat.

Sorry, but this is a nonsense claim. Being the child of a foreign national would be recognized as granting that child citizenship/inheritance rights in virtually any court in the world. It's not based on an arbitrary or random declaration and it's nonsense to suggest that it's in any way comparable.

In Aug 1982, Barack Obama, having failed to renounce his US citizenship, lost dual citizenship in Kenya.

We don't know whether he renounced his U.S. citizenship or not. Like all other details in Obama's past, this is simply undocumented. Second, if he was native born in Kenya, it's not clear when and how Obama would have obtained U.S. citizenship to begin with. He might have had Indonesian citizenship by the time he was required by Kenyan law to renounce other citizenships, but it wouldn't matter because Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship and he may already renounced his U.S., Kenyan and British citizenships. Again, there just isn't enough information out there to let us know which of his four continental citizenships Obama declared and held.

Obama is not a citizen or subject of the UK. He is not a dual citizen of Kenya.

We definitely know he is not a natural born citizen of the United States. Anything else is speculative and undocumented.

669 posted on 04/14/2010 9:46:25 AM PDT by edge919
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that is why birthers have a perfect record of LOSING every case that comes to a court.

So, they lost because the courts proclaimed Barry is a natural born citizen?
677 posted on 04/14/2010 9:54:18 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: Mr Rogers
In Aug 1982, Barack Obama, having failed to renounce his US citizenship, lost dual citizenship in Kenya.

We are not talking about his Kenyan citizenship. We are talking about his British citizenship which he had from birth. It wasn't imposed upon him by Britain. It was given to him by his father who was a British/Kenyan national.

Did he ever fill out the proper form to rescind his British citizenship when he reached the age of maturity, or does he still maintain his British citizenship???

687 posted on 04/14/2010 10:08:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Since you do not know, nor do any of us..really, that Obama was born in Hawaii, or that he was born in Kenya, which would not make him a dual citizen at all, it leads invariably back to him showing us his Birth Certificate, not Certification of Live Birth (COLB), his long form birth certificate, which, to this point, he has not done.

And only LOSERS run around claiming otherwise...


694 posted on 04/14/2010 10:15:13 AM PDT by etraveler13
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