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Fact check: 16,500 new IRS agents probably not on the way -Fader, is at it again-
The Florida Times Union ^ | April 11, 2010 | Carole Fader

Posted on 04/11/2010 7:26:58 AM PDT by CherylMc

This e-mail claims that because of the new health care law, the IRS will have to hire 16,500 agents to audit Americans and enforce penalties for people who don't want to buy health insurance. Is this true?

This has to do with the new taxes, subsidies and tax credits that will be generated by the new health care law and how they will be administered and collected.

FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.com looked at the claim and found that the math used to arrive at the figure is - at best - fuzzy.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enforcement; factcheck; factcheckbias; healthcare; individualmandate; insurance; irs; liberalbias; obamacare
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Carole is at it again. Not too many IRS agents... no enforcement... no worries. More propaganda from that idiot. Unbelievable.
1 posted on 04/11/2010 7:26:59 AM PDT by CherylMc
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To: CherylMc

Those liberal outfits “fact-checkers”? lol


2 posted on 04/11/2010 7:28:31 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: CherylMc

If the Government is involved the numbers will only GROW!


3 posted on 04/11/2010 7:29:24 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: CherylMc
Fact Check merely scans headlines and reports what ever they say. It does not actively investigate the truth of any claim. Just because the US Junk Media does not report it, does not make the claim false.

Fact Check is useless propaganda, not a serious source

4 posted on 04/11/2010 7:30:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Will work for guns and ammo!.)
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To: qwertypie

Often have Dems site Snopes or other liberal sites as being the final word in any debate. About as reliable as the rest of MSM, which means not at all.


5 posted on 04/11/2010 7:31:59 AM PDT by TigerBait
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To: CherylMc

I just love this laughable quote from the article:

“PolitiFact.com is a Pulitzer Prize-winning, nonpartisan project of the St. Petersburg Times.”

...nonpartisan!? Now that got a real chuckle out of me!


6 posted on 04/11/2010 7:34:19 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: CherylMc

DEFUND!!!

DEFUND!!!

DEFUND!!!


7 posted on 04/11/2010 7:34:27 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: CherylMc
Well, the IRS' main job is to provide information and administer subsidies to low- and middle-income people to help them buy health insurance, according to the law.

That's the job of the IRS is new superfriendly Obamistan!! Can the IRS get me a cup of coffee while they're serving me?

And even though people will have to get insurance starting in 2014, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman testified before Ways and Means last month that the IRS won't be auditing anyone to certify that, FactCheck.org reports. Interestingly enough, the law also rules out any criminal penalties for those who don't get coverage or refuse to pay the tax.

So you're required by law to get insurance, but nobody has to pay the penalties and they won't be punished in any way if they don't!

Thanks liberals for providing the self-contradicting and obviously false information to "fact" me straight, you effin moron jackasses. The awesomeness of your stupidity confounds my ability to grasp its dimensions.

8 posted on 04/11/2010 7:37:33 AM PDT by dead
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To: TigerBait

Most times they use Factcheck.org as the final word. The only problem is that FactCheck is runned by the Annenberg
Public policy center. They are on *O*’s payroll!


9 posted on 04/11/2010 7:41:40 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (I will not be silenced. I WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER)
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To: CitizenUSA

“PolitiFact.com is a Pulitzer Prize-winning, nonpartisan project of the St. Petersburg Times.”

The St. Petersburg Times is widely known as the most liberal newspaper in the entire State of Florida. The Times Union is second.

And Carole Fader is the most biased, incompetent excuse for a journalist that ever breathed a breath.


10 posted on 04/11/2010 7:41:56 AM PDT by CherylMc ("That's a Lie!")
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To: MNJohnnie

“Fact Check is useless propaganda, not a serious source”

Oh, but the young neo-Marxist love to quote it, along with Media Matters (house organ for Obots and the CPUSA).


11 posted on 04/11/2010 7:42:06 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: CherylMc
The best they can say is "fuzzy?" "Probably not?"

This is what the author states:

The 16,500 number was extrapolated from an early Congressional Budget Office forecast that the IRS might need $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for all the administration and processes involved...

The CBO did not specify, however, how many new hires the IRS would have to make...but it used IRS employment figures and "reasonable assumptions" to suggest that as many as 16,500 additional "examiners, agents, and other employees" could be needed...

Overhead costs, such as offices, desks and computers, were not included, nor were any salary increases...

When you factor in those costs, the number of employees that could be hired is somewhere between 11,800 and 16,500...

I find this disingenuous. First, you won't need additional offices, desks, and computers unless you have additional people. Second, 11,800 new IRS agents is not a whole lot better than 16,500. Third, what does "salary increases" mean? You're going to need to pay salary increases no matter what, so I doubt that was included in the $5 to $10 billion estimate in the first place.

Third, I edited it out above, but the author's suggestion that the St. Pete Times is a "non-partisan" source is laughable, as is the author's assertion that William Ayers' benefactor, the Annenberg Foundation, is a non-partisan source.

12 posted on 04/11/2010 7:43:32 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: dead

“The awesomeness of your stupidity confounds my ability to grasp its dimensions.”

Wish I’d have read your comment before writing the Editor to complain, so I could have included it. You hit the nail on the head !!!! :-)

Editor, if you’re inclined to write, is Frank Denton, frank.denton@morris.com


13 posted on 04/11/2010 7:47:16 AM PDT by CherylMc ("That's a Lie!")
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The Annenberg funded factcheck (the same Annenberg that funded Obama and Ayers years back) and the site run by Libeals called Snopes are questionable sources of factual political information.

Truth or Fiction may be a better source for such debunking stuff.

14 posted on 04/11/2010 7:51:36 AM PDT by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: CherylMc
So . let me see if I've got this right:

the Gop says “as many as 16,500”

and the nonpolitical outfit says “ the number of employees that could be hired is somewhere between 11,800 and 16,500, PolitiFact.com notes”

Where does that differ from “as many as 16,500”?

Does not their figures exactly bear out the GOP figures?

15 posted on 04/11/2010 7:54:57 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Canedawg
I have a question on defunding -

Congress defunds - but does that stop the gov’t from demanding insurance payments from the people? THAT is the most destructive

16 posted on 04/11/2010 7:58:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: tiredoflaundry

‘runned’?


17 posted on 04/11/2010 8:15:30 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: CherylMc
the law also rules out any criminal penalties for those who don't get coverage or refuse to pay the tax.

Right. They'll just fine the hell out of you. That's fair. (morons).

Interesting that they didn't point out that the IRS ALREADY has 104,000 employees. Maybe a few of those could take up the slack?

18 posted on 04/11/2010 8:15:46 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: CherylMc
A little side note - a story about an "upgrade" to the large IRS complex in Andover, MA. They are getting ready to have a lot of auditors busy. "From the Boston Herald front page today: The IRS received $80,469,000 in stimulus funds for “green” upgrades to the 400,000 square-foot complex, more cash than any other federal building in New England, according to documents from the U.S. General Services Administration, the agency that oversees federal buildings. The IRS already had $11.4 million on hand for the work, a GSA spokeswoman said." tax_mahl
19 posted on 04/11/2010 8:16:08 AM PDT by MassRepublican
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To: maine-iac7

I’d have to look into that to give a more thorough answer, BUT without funding, and no funding for enforcement, it has no teeth.

This law will stay on the books until either repealed or tossed out by the SCOTUS, but if they can’t effectively enforce it without proper funding, that is the way to go for now. Starve the beast.


20 posted on 04/11/2010 8:21:24 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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