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Grandmother: Adopted boy sent back to Russia was violent (the other side of the story)
CNN ^ | April 9, 2010 | Alan Duke,

Posted on 04/09/2010 3:05:56 PM PDT by SmartInsight

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To: JadeEmperor

Do you have any children? You sound progressively like a sociopath.

I do. But I have also watched and worked with a number of disrupting adoptions. Social workers will say anything to close the case....evidently they will do this anywhere.


101 posted on 04/09/2010 5:59:27 PM PDT by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: SmartInsight

I don’t blame Russia for being upset. They’re rather sensitive about all the unwanted children and Russian brides leaving for the U.S. and Western Europe. Probably we would be too if the roles were reversed.

What the American family did was not right but I’d like to know what other steps they took before such a desperate act. Adopting is not an easy process and they deserve some credit for wanting to adopt in the first place but it does involve a commitment and most are thoroughly screened so I wish I knew what it was that made this family turn against the child so quickly.


102 posted on 04/09/2010 6:02:46 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: JadeEmperor

“Maybe you think its ok to buy kids for sex too.”

Since this brain fart just went around your small little empty head, I take it that is what you would do since you are the one who thought about it.

You are a very, very sick person.


103 posted on 04/09/2010 6:03:37 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

>> No way. You haven’t been reading. This person wasn’t told >> the truth that this kid was crazy. Had you yourself known >> this before, you could have volunteered to take him in.

>> Also, this nut kid’s adoption had not been fnalized;
>> therefore, he could be returned.

Of course you think you know all the facts to the story. And you are automatically inclined to believe the mother’s version of events.

There are formal ways to interrupt an adoption. What they did was wrong.

But having said this, it still bothers me deeply that you would consider a child (an orfan, or any other) a purhased thing.


104 posted on 04/09/2010 6:05:13 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Hey, if you refer to kids as “it” anything is possible.


105 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:18 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: verga

I’ve been “in the business,” one way or another for over 30 years - houseparenting, foster parenting, and adopting. Social Services, adoption agencies, and foreign countries lie all the time to prospective adoptive parents because they know that if they tell the truth, the child involved will never be placed. When adoptive parents call in desperation, they are regularly blown off and told that it’s their child, their problem. Foster parents often face runarounds and scary delays in having a dangerous child removed from their homes. I once had to threaten to physically return a dangerous child myself and to turn in my resignation in order to get my agency to act. Whenever anyone asks my advice about fostering or adopting, I am totally honest about what I have seen. In my opinion, after my years of experience, I’d say it’s 85/15 - nature over nurture. Many children in the system carry almost unbelievable baggage, and there should be honesty when children are placed and a system in place for the return of children who are too damaged to live in a normal family. If there were true honesty in placement, adoption disruption would occur far less often. That said, putting a young child on a plane to Russia was not the solution. I can’t help but wonder what made her do that rather than to work with the agency which placed the child.


106 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:38 PM PDT by rejoicing
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To: Chickensoup

It is my understanding that if the adoption was finalized in Russia, re-adoption may not be required depending on the state. I think it is recommended so that you have adoption paperwork in English, to change name, etc.

From what I recall our agency was going to send us medical reports on the child prior to adoption which we could have evaluated by a physician at Vanderbilt. Seems like we were also going to have to take the child to be evaluated by a doctor at the US Embassy in Russia before we could leave for the US.


107 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:51 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: JadeEmperor

I suggest you READ THE ARTICLE.

The woman went through her lawyer and many, many other people for legal direction and advice. She followed their advice.

READ!!!

And don’t bother me again.


108 posted on 04/09/2010 6:12:28 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=12286804

Here’s another story on it.


109 posted on 04/09/2010 6:14:25 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: rejoicing

From reading the newschannel5.com article the agency says they were not contacted about this case by the adoptive family and only heard about it from the Russian government.

Also sounds like local LE are investigating whether some type of child abuse happened. They can’t find the mother to talk to her though, according to the story.


110 posted on 04/09/2010 6:18:08 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: SmartInsight

until you see the behavior problems in these damaged kids, you can’t imagine living with them.

However, you don’t put the kid on a plane with a note...


111 posted on 04/09/2010 6:20:37 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: DesertRhino

It’s an unpopular sentiment, but I have always wondered about this child since I first read the story.

I have read previous stories of adoptees from Russia who were already so emotionally damaged they were beyond help and a danger to themselves and others.

This woman was probably afraid and desperate. She had other family members to think about as well as her own safety.

She was probably too immature and rosy-eyed when she made the adoption, but I can’t call her a total villain. She didn’t kill or abuse the boy. She just returned him.


112 posted on 04/09/2010 6:20:54 PM PDT by altura
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To: toast
I say we we bring in several million abused psychopath brats from Mongolia and all points. Those that don't adjust, we can train to be IRS agents and DMV employees when they become adults.


113 posted on 04/09/2010 6:36:18 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: JadeEmperor
Maybe you think its ok to buy kids for sex too.

Nice, real nice, take it from something legitimate, to the absurd.

114 posted on 04/09/2010 6:36:41 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: rejoicing; JadeEmperor
I’ve been “in the business,” one way or another for over 30 years - houseparenting, foster parenting, and adopting. Social Services, adoption agencies, and foreign countries lie all the time to prospective adoptive parents because they know that if they tell the truth, the child involved will never be placed. When adoptive parents call in desperation, they are regularly blown off and told that it’s their child, their problem. Foster parents often face runarounds and scary delays in having a dangerous child removed from their homes. I once had to threaten to physically return a dangerous child myself and to turn in my resignation in order to get my agency to act. Whenever anyone asks my advice about fostering or adopting, I am totally honest about what I have seen. In my opinion, after my years of experience, I’d say it’s 85/15 - nature over nurture. Many children in the system carry almost unbelievable baggage, and there should be honesty when children are placed and a system in place for the return of children who are too damaged to live in a normal family. If there were true honesty in placement, adoption disruption would occur far less often. That said, putting a young child on a plane to Russia was not the solution. I can’t help but wonder what made her do that rather than to work with the agency which placed the child.

Jade, you need to read this and some of my posts. you are being naive

115 posted on 04/09/2010 6:41:29 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: pnz1

I wouldn’t trust the Russian authorities on bit.....


116 posted on 04/09/2010 6:42:44 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: Chickensoup
"Let russia take care of their own."

AMEN!

117 posted on 04/09/2010 7:00:35 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: DesertRhino
Might be just as they said. But no sympathy here. An adopted kid isn’t just a VCR you send to the returns dept. You do like any parent and call Child protective service,, mental health inpatient programs, etc. Just like you do with your natural child gone nuts. I can’t just put my kid on United Airlines with a note pinned to ‘em.

Bravo! Well said.

118 posted on 04/09/2010 7:14:45 PM PDT by MayfairFly
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To: verga

>> Jade, you need to read this and some of my posts. you are >> being naive

So, here’s the real litmus test. If you find out late term that your biological kid has Down’s syndrome, do you have the right to abort or euthanize once they are born?

Its no different than ditching a kid you adopted. Remember, people, Russia does not “send” these kids here, adoption is a choice. Just like having a biological child is a choice.


119 posted on 04/09/2010 7:17:40 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

>> “Let russia take care of their own.”

>> AMEN!

Its not like Russia send the kid here.


120 posted on 04/09/2010 7:18:16 PM PDT by JadeEmperor
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