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Adoption freeze urged after boy returned to Russia
MSNBC ^ | April 9, 2010 | NATALIYA VASILYEVA

Posted on 04/09/2010 7:52:48 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

MOSCOW - Russia should freeze all child adoptions with U.S. families, the country's foreign minister urged Friday after an American woman allegedly put her 8-year-old adopted Russian son on a one-way flight back to his homeland.

Artyom Savelyev arrived in Moscow unaccompanied on a United Airlines flight Thursday from Washington, the Kremlin children's rights office said Friday.

The children's office said the boy, whose adoptive name is Justin Hansen, was carrying a letter from his adoptive mother, Torry Hansen of Shelbyville, Tennessee, saying she was returning him due to severe psychological problems.

this child is mentally unstable. He is violent and has severe psychopathic issues," the letter said, according to Russian officials, who sent what they said was a copy of the letter to The Associated Press. The authenticity of the letter could not be independently verified.

The U.S. ambassador to Russia, John Beyrle, said he was "deeply shocked by the news" and "very angry that any family would act so callously toward a child that they had legally adopted."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: adoption
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To: COUNTrecount
I toured an orphanage in Chelyabinsk, Russia, and another in Lugansk, Ukraine. Back in the 1990s and early 00's a lot of staff were simply overwhelmed - lots of abandoned children, lots of children of alcoholics, severe staff and pay cuts. I can see where children in orphanages from that timeframe could be emotionally scarred.

Nowadays budgets are better, at least in the big cities, and what's left of the press keeps abuses in the news. Hopefully the idiots in the Duma don't try to make a huge issue out of it - like they did with Kostya Shlapin in Greeley, CO. All that accomplished was keep a few thousand children locked away and prevent them from growing up with at least a chance of a normal life.
41 posted on 04/09/2010 8:44:36 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Cicero

Under current immigration laws, the child is a US citizen. I don’t think returning him to Russian authorities constitutes relinquishment to the proper child welfare agency. It’s just plain child abandonment.


42 posted on 04/09/2010 8:46:15 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“Are you sure you don’t want the mods to delete your post? You are making some of the earlier posters look like witches.”

LOL!. Nothing like a little injection of truth on a thread to put things in perspective. I’ll let my post stand, but thank you for the delete suggestion. Better they look like witches than b..ches.


43 posted on 04/09/2010 8:46:45 AM PDT by flaglady47 (We will have our revenge one day, sooner than later.....)
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To: COUNTrecount

This is a sad story all around.

I read some years back about orphans (if I recall correctly, they were Russian) who had spent most of their young lives in cribs without human affection and interaction, little more than life in a cage. They had severe disassociative-type disorders.

The children desperately need help, but I don’t believe the average adoptive parent is equipped to deal with these situations.


44 posted on 04/09/2010 8:48:38 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Balding_Eagle

And if the child were natural born, wielding a knife at mom, would the parent just get to put him on a plane to somewhere else rather than going through proper legal channels to relinquish him? That’s the issue. The child is legally adopted and a US citizen.


45 posted on 04/09/2010 8:48:43 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: flaglady47

Friends of friends adopted a child from over there. It’s been a major problem. It took years for the child to learn to eat solid food - she had been fed by a bottle for her first three years. The child will never be right. Fortunately the mother and father are physicians and have the means to care for her and provide all kinds of therapy. They also have three other older children who help care for the child. I wonder if they’d do it again.


46 posted on 04/09/2010 8:59:04 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Touch Not the Cat

I know of a lady that adopted two boys from Russia. Both turned out to be criminals. She had a lovely home and gave them a great chance at life.


47 posted on 04/09/2010 9:01:34 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: Touch Not the Cat
"I’ve heard this about other boys adopted from Russian. I wonder if it is common and if so why?"

A close friend of mine adopted an 8-month-old girl from Ukraine. That child is deranged. First of all, I believe she was at least 18 months old, not 8 months old, when adopted. I think she was just so stunted, mentally, that they lied about her age. I think those early months in the orphanage are critical. They are neglected and obviously abused. I'm sure there are some normal ones, but the only ones I've ever seen or heard of had mental problems and aggressive behaviors.
48 posted on 04/09/2010 9:07:01 AM PDT by DRey
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Being a parent is loving a child unconditionally. What would this so-called parent have done had she had given birth to a child born with severe disabilities? Would she have dropped the child off like an unwanted animal? When you have or adopt children it is a commitment for life. There is no return policy with children. We are in a very sad state of affairs.


49 posted on 04/09/2010 9:15:27 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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To: flaglady47
drinking vodka like soda pop

I was in Moscow in '94 and IIRC vodka was less expensive than bottled water.

51 posted on 04/09/2010 9:20:00 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Morgana

Just wow. Child is a commodity that you can stamp “Return to Sender” on his head. Pretty cool. I think we should be able to do this to natural born children too. Difficult child? Put him in a cab and send him off somewhere.


53 posted on 04/09/2010 9:23:52 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: ladyjane
You got a point.

Adoptions also from other countries as well as one own bio children can turn out bad. A couple in our neighborhood insisted on adopting only a Korean child. I don't know why. The boy was a toddler when they adopted him and grew up to be a terror and was sentenced for attempted murder when he was a teen.

54 posted on 04/09/2010 9:27:03 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: keepitreal

Morgana, again, if the woman gave birth to a child that had severe mental problems would she just dump him/her? Some people just are not fit to be parents and this is one of them. Sorry not buying the excuses for this woman.


55 posted on 04/09/2010 9:29:26 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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To: jerseyrocks

I am married to an adoptive child who had outstanding parents and never treated him any different then if he was the biological child. He always says “they did not give me one thing from nature but everything from nurture.” I think some people treat their children differently and they just don’t realize it. As we see in this case the woman probably would not have treated the child the same way had the child been her’s biologically. I know many adopted children and the problems I have seen come from the parents handling of the adoption issue.


57 posted on 04/09/2010 9:34:02 AM PDT by jerseyrocks
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To: Morgana

Morgana. Sorry. He’s legally adopted and a US citizen. Mom needs to go through legal US channels to relinquish him. She broke the law. No matter how “dirtbag” and “muzzie” you think the country is.


59 posted on 04/09/2010 9:34:22 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: Touch Not the Cat
I’ve heard this about other boys adopted from Russian. I wonder if it is common and if so why?

I've heard that also. It really is frightening how damaged some of these kids seem to be. There must be some cause for it.

60 posted on 04/09/2010 9:34:51 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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