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Adoption freeze urged after boy returned to Russia
MSNBC ^ | April 9, 2010 | NATALIYA VASILYEVA

Posted on 04/09/2010 7:52:48 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

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To: keepitreal

I just read the article and didn’t find anything like that either.

Anna Orlova, a spokeswoman for Kremlin’s Children Rights Commissioner, told The Associated Press that she visited the boy and he told her that his mother was “bad,” “did not love him,” and used to pull his hair.


101 posted on 04/09/2010 12:40:39 PM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: RabidBartender

See my post #100. Little kids with no language skills tend to act out (I’ve adopted internationally 3 times), also due to living in an orphanage for years, they are often years behind emotionally. Hitting, kicking and spitting are not uncommon, and for 3 months - that’s nothing. Learning how to handle it is your job as a parent.

This is a boy whose world was turned upside down. He acted out by hitting etc. and mom reacted by pulling his hair? Which one is disturbed?


102 posted on 04/09/2010 12:45:37 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
oh my word!

Didn't read into those therapies...or better termed...ABUSES.

One would think that a rational person would see those “treatments” as more than problematic.

103 posted on 04/09/2010 1:39:04 PM PDT by woollyone ("The trouble with socialism is you run out of other people's money to spend." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: COUNTrecount

mark for later read


104 posted on 04/09/2010 1:41:39 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: woollyone

These “therapists” are good at convincing parents that their children have extreme problems which call for extreme treatments. The scary thing is, a lot of these children appear to have been perfectly normal to start with, and only developed serious problems after being subjected to abusive therapies (and may have first developed mild problems in response to incompetent parenting).

These therapists promote a fantasy idea of how “normal” children should behave (like constantly gazing lovingly and attentively into their parents’ eyes, wanting nothing more in the world than to instantly comply with every request their parents make, etc). In a lot of these cases, it sounds like the parents just had psychological problems of their own, and were thus having difficulties coping with the normal demands of parenthood. Seeing their children as the cause of their misery, they head off to “therapists” until they find one who tells them what they want to hear, namely that the child, not the parent(s), is the problem, and that the therapist has a solution which involves the parent being in total control of the child, and the child eventually coming around and acting like the aforementioned fantasy child.

It’s really scary how widespread this stuff is. Sure, the extreme cases where a child actually gets killed are rare, but there are a huge number of children who have been and are being subjected to “treatments” of this sort. It’s very lucrative for the “therapists”. It’s a good idea to keep your dangerous-scam-alert meter set to go off anytime you see/hear the term “reactive attachment disorder” or “RAD kids”. If you run into a parent who claims their child has this “disorder”, be alert to the fact that the child may simply be a victim of these dangerous “therapies” and that the parent may have been sucked into what essentially a cult.

I’ve read reports from parents who got sucked into this (and later realized it was a scam) that the therapists responded to parents’ questioning of the odd-sounding “treatments” being recommended by having them join a “support group” of other parents who were already employing these treatments and convinced they were helping or were the child’s “only chance”. A lot things that people would flatly reject based on their own independent evaluation, they can be persuaded to accept when provided with a peer group that reinforces the validity of idea.


105 posted on 04/09/2010 2:20:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

A lot of kids are labeled with attachment disorders when they are just trying to cope with a lot of stress from abandonment, institutionalization, and then being put in a new foreign family with little or no preparation. Kids do the best they can to cope and don’t need to be labelled mentally ill as they act out in situations way beyond their control.


106 posted on 04/09/2010 2:24:42 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: woollyone

P.S. A few of the “RAD therapy” scams have been linked to Scientology, as one of it’s many efforts to use its “belief” that psychoactive drugs are always bad, to lure people into “therapies” which turn out to be an entryway into Scientology. Parents who have either tried drugs without success for their emotionally troubled children, or who are starting out with a belief that non-drug approaches should always be tried first, are low-hanging fruit for this type of lure. Scientology has also offered “non-drug therapies” for ADD/ADHD, but of course not openly identified the people offering the “therapy” as Scientologists.

Certainly there are many cases where children are being inappropriately given psychoactive drugs, in an effort to make them behave the way parents or teachers want them to behave, even though they’re just acting like normal kids, or when their problems are really being caused by parents’ or teachers’ inappropriate behavior. But honestly, any kid (even one who doesn’t really have anything wrong with them) is better off popping Ritalin or other psychoactive drugs, than getting sucked into Scientology along with their whole family.


107 posted on 04/09/2010 2:29:17 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: KosmicKitty
We adopted our younger son from an orphanage in Kamchatka (Russian Far East) when he was close to his 5th birthday. He had a lot of problems they never told us about, including Attachment Disorder, Central Auditory Processing Disorder, gender identity confusion, and other issues.

We were fortunate, however, because my husband was strongly committed to "fathering" and I was free to do full-time home-school hands-on mothering (unlike, in this story, a single, working mother) .

Long story short (very long story very short) there have been many stresses and conflicts, but now--- 13 years later--- he's going along OK.

But a single working mother adopting a child so wounded in so many ways? It would be a disaster.

Vanya still needs --- so much.

We try to hang in there. We pray a lot.

108 posted on 04/09/2010 2:50:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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To: Balding_Eagle

From the article:

“He drew a picture of our house burning down and he’ll tell anybody that he’s going to burn our house down with us in it,” she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. “It got to be where you feared for your safety. It was terrible.”

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Previous adoption failures have increased Russian officials’ wariness of adoptions to the U.S.

In 2006, Peggy Sue Hilt of Manassas, Virginia, was sentenced to 25 years in prison after being convicted of fatally beating a 2-year-old girl adopted from Siberia months earlier.

In 2008, Kimberly Emelyantsev of Tooele, Utah, was sentenced to 15 years after pleading guilty to killing a Russian infant in her care.

And in March of this year, prosecutors in Pennsylvania met with a Russian diplomats to discuss how to handle the case of a couple accused of killing their 7-year-old adopted Russian son at their home near the town of Dillsburg.


109 posted on 04/09/2010 3:02:35 PM PDT by zeebee (Ask a teenager now, while they still know everything.)
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To: zeebee

more from the article:

“...he was watched over by a United Airlines stewardess and the family paid a man $200 to pick the boy up at the Moscow airport and take him to the Russian Education and Science Ministry.”

“United Airlines disavowed any responsibility and said it requires a parent or guardian dropping off a child for a flight to show an ID and to list who is picking the child up at the destination.”


110 posted on 04/09/2010 3:05:50 PM PDT by zeebee (Ask a teenager now, while they still know everything.)
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To: keepitreal

“Mom needs to go through legal US channels to relinquish him. She broke the law.”

You’ve studied the case and adjudicated the facts? Exactly what statute was broken?


111 posted on 04/09/2010 5:15:57 PM PDT by devere
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To: keepitreal

‘”He drew a picture of our house burning down and he’ll tell anybody that he’s going to burn our house down with us in it,” she told The Associated Press in a phone interview. “It got to be where you feared for your safety. It was terrible.”’

I guess the Freeper-approved course of action would be for the mother to buy a gun, learn how to use it, and then kill the Russian child in self defense when he was caught in the act of torching the house.

Sending him back to Moscow seems more practical. It sounds as though the boy has natural talents that may lead to a successful career in the KGB. And who know; in 30 years he may turn out to be Putin’s successor.


112 posted on 04/09/2010 5:30:51 PM PDT by devere
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To: devere

You might take a look at the Virginia statute for child abandonment. Since the act of abandonment through proxy took place in VA, it is a good place to start. In VA, abandoment of a child is a Class 6 felony.

1) Child was her legal child. Adoption was finalized in Russia, and this is recognized in US as a valid legal adoption.

2) Child was a US citizen under the Child Citizenship Act of 2000.

3) Legal parent makes arrangments to put child on airplane to be dropped off by a stranger at a government office in Russia. No “safe haven” exception under VA statute on child abandonment.

International adoption aside, let’s use an easier example to understand. Birth mom puts son on bus, asks driver to watch him, has some guy she met on Craigslist pick him up at bus station to deliver him to a welfare office 2000 miles away with a note “I do not wish to parent this child anymore”. Under the law, this is abandoment. Just because you ask someone else to do the deed for you does not absolve you from culpability.

Now, you show me a law to the contrary, and we’ll discuss.


113 posted on 04/10/2010 9:48:01 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: COUNTrecount
From bad to worse update ping....
 
Russians want child support from woman who returned adopted son
 

 


114 posted on 01/27/2011 12:32:11 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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