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Whose Guns are They?(Mexico)
texastribune.org ^ | 8 April, 2010 | Julian Aguilar

Posted on 04/09/2010 7:10:06 AM PDT by marktwain

Is an “iron river” of weapons flowing south from Texas to Mexico, as U.S. officials claim? Or is that nothing more than a fiction promulgated by a corrupt Mexican government that skews statistics to deflect responsibility?

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is reloaded with millions in Recovery Act dollars to continue its Operation Gunrunner, which it says helps stop Mexican cartels from procuring the weapons to fuel their murderous turf battles. The program is expanding operations along the border, including in McAllen and El Paso, and adding more agents to work with U.S. Embassy and Consulate offices in Juárez, Chihuahua. More than $21 million will be added to the operation’s total funding this fiscal year, according to a Department of Justice report. The study also backs up what ATF agents have been saying all along: that about 90 percent of the weapons used in crimes in Mexico — and submitted for tracing — come from Texas.

“The No. 1 source for guns being recovered in Mexico from the U.S. has been the Houston area, and that’s largely because the size of the city, the number of licensed dealers there,” said Special Agent in Charge J. Dewey Webb. Webb manages the Houston Field Division field office, whose jurisdiction encompasses Del Rio, San Antonio, Waco, Austin, Beaumont, Corpus Christi, McAllen and Laredo. Dallas and the Rio Grande Valley are second and third, respectively, Webb added.

But those assessments have critics balking. They say the key word is “traceable.” They suspect the Mexican government — which submits the weapons that ATF traces — is funneling almost exclusively American weapons to the agency to deflect blame and spread responsibility for addressing the problem.

“Ninety percent of traceable firearms, not 90 percent of firearms,” said Alice Tripp,

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; batf; guns; immigration; mexico; mythof90percent; thanksmexico; warnextdoor
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If the Mexican government only sends guns that are likely to be traced to American authorities to be traced, and if we only look at the percentage of those that can be traced, it is a truism that 90 percent would be from the US. If only 1 percent of the guns used in crime in Mexico were from the US, it is still likely that 90 percent of those that could be traced under those circumstances would be from the US.
1 posted on 04/09/2010 7:10:06 AM PDT by marktwain
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They are Hugo Chavez’s guns, how hard is it to figure that out.

By limiting the sample to trace to American made gets the results you need to put the the hoax on the people ... It’s an old commie trick to manipulate the people. It’s just that now our dear reader, a commie, is now doing the same.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 7:13:08 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: marktwain

Why get a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun from the USA; when you can get a fully automatic machine gun from any port along the shoreline, or from Guatemala or the Honduras? No paperwork, and an endless supply of untraceable weaponry.


3 posted on 04/09/2010 7:14:36 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: marktwain

“Iron River” would be a great name for the next AR-15 clone manufacturer. That’d look great rollmarked on the receiver.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 7:14:44 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: marktwain

Yeah yeah. Mexico wouldn’t have drug cartels if it wasn’t Gringos wanting Drugs.
Mexico wouldn’t have guns if it wasn’t for the Gringos sending guns to Mexico.

Mexico is officially the whiner nation of the NA Continent.


5 posted on 04/09/2010 7:16:04 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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Let's indulge this myth. If only there was a fully secured border. Then the only way guns from the USA would be able to get into Mexico would be through corrupt Mexican border guards and customs officials.

So let's do our neighbors in Mexico a favor and secure the border.

6 posted on 04/09/2010 7:16:17 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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This story is pure bunk aimed at demonizing guns and gun sales in the United States. Mexican drug cartels are armed to the teeth with fully automatic weapons -- which are not even available for purchase in the United States except to government agencies. The cartels are purchasing those weapons from other countries. The Third World is teeming with automatic weapons that we in the Free World are not free to own.

This propaganda piece illustrates the old adage: "Text without context is pretext."

7 posted on 04/09/2010 7:20:32 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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The problem is the millions of barbarians south of the border.

Not firearms, regardless of source.


8 posted on 04/09/2010 7:21:34 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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Let's indulge this myth. If only there was a fully secured border...

Excellent tactic -- destroy them with their own lie!

9 posted on 04/09/2010 7:22:39 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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an “iron river” of weapons flowing south from Texas to Mexico

What about the "carbon river" of illegal immigrants flowing north from Mexico??

10 posted on 04/09/2010 7:24:26 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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Why get expensive American made weapons when you can get cheap communist rebated machine guns. RPG’s are not made in the US. Full auto AK47’s are not made in the US. The ATF propaganda ministry wants to grab power and make it look we are the bad guys.
11 posted on 04/09/2010 7:30:09 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: pnh102

Not how this is scripted to play out.

The feds will make a half-azzed attempt to “secure” a tiny part of the border, with full fanfare and LSM hype about their efforts. Those efforts will fail, as they are designed to. Next, the feds and LSM will say that the only way to close the “iron river” is to ban sales of guns in the US. They’ll add a “national security” angle or do it by treaty to circumvent the 2nd.

Transparent ploy, but with our NEA dumbed down population, there’s a decent chance it will work.


12 posted on 04/09/2010 7:45:16 AM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: marktwain

All thanks to KBH for squashing the fence.


13 posted on 04/09/2010 7:46:46 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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Unfortunately this will never be used to secure the border. The agenda driving this is to restrict the sales of firearms in the US, that will be the only acceptable solution.


14 posted on 04/09/2010 8:01:10 AM PDT by Bayan
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To: marktwain
Apart from all the other flaws and lies in the “iron river” farce; I'd guarantee that most of those traceable, US sourced, semiautomatic, firearms came from private mexican citizens and not the cartels or smugglers.
It is average folks who would have a relative buy a handgun, a semi-auto civilian AR look alike or semi-auto AK/SKS, to use in protecting their families from the bad guys who can buy all the full auto/mil-standard and untraceable weaponry they want.
15 posted on 04/09/2010 8:52:22 AM PDT by norton
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To: Hodar

That is the logical question. But most Americans don’t seem to know that “machine guns” are, and have been, illegal for a long time in this country. Not real easy to get.


16 posted on 04/09/2010 9:02:47 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: marktwain

I wonder if some of the cartels in Mexico haven’t actually set up their own gun factories- if they can do it in Pakistan, then it can be done in Mexico. Cheap AKs....


17 posted on 04/09/2010 9:06:14 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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AND there are tons upon tons of Chinese guns and other weapons along with THOUSANDS of Chinese troops in Mexico just waiting.....


18 posted on 04/09/2010 9:12:36 AM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: Bayan

>Unfortunately this will never be used to secure the border. The agenda driving this is to restrict the sales of firearms in the US, that will be the only acceptable solution.

Can we use the politician-class’s own methods against them?
We could draft out a bill which would recognize illegal immigrants as invaders, direct the securing of the southern border against invaders, declare war on said invaders {as Congress is what has that power}, authorize civilians to both defend themselves from and assist in ‘neutralizing’ the invaders, AND [as icing on the cake] mandate that active-duty military besiege the so called “sanctuary cities” for the purposes of rooting out invaders AND capturing for trial on charges of treason the mayor, city council, police chief, and district attorney.

Since we know that Congress doesn’t actually read the bills they vote on we will include an “executive summary” which says the contents of the bill is:
- Investigation of arms manufacturers, dealers, and customers in regards to Mexico.
- Stricter and more thorough federal background checks to eliminate “straw man” purchases.
- A federally mandated waiting period on purchasing firearms, to eliminate “straw man” purchases.
- Authorization for investigation on the purchase of more than two guns at any point in time, to dissuade the “Straw Man” purchases.
AND
- Nominal border security

Your comments?


19 posted on 04/09/2010 9:13:21 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

That sounds like a winner to me!


20 posted on 04/09/2010 9:52:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Should people be questioning their government? Yes and "Where's the birth certificate?")
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