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What Am I? (John Stossel)
Realclearpolitics ^ | 4/07/10 | John Stossel

Posted on 04/07/2010 5:26:04 AM PDT by listenhillary

I used to be a Kennedy-style "liberal." Then I wised up. Now I'm a libertarian.

But what does that mean?

When I asked people on the street, half had no clue.

We know that conservatives want government to conserve traditional values. They say they're for limited government, but they're pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction and anti-abortion, and they often support "nation-building."

And so-called liberals? They tend to be anti-gun and pro-choice on abortion. They favor big, powerful government -- they say -- to make life kinder for people.

By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone -- in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Ironically, that used to be called "liberal," which has the same root as "liberty." Several hundred years ago, liberalism was a reaction against the stifling rules imposed by aristocracy and established religion.

I wish I could call myself "liberal" now. But the word has been turned on its head. It now means health police, high taxes, speech codes and so forth.

So I can't call myself a "liberal." I'm stuck with "libertarian." If you have a better word, please let me know.

When I first explained libertarianism to my wife, she said: "That's cruel! What about the poor and the weak? Let them starve?"

I recently asked some prominent libertarians that question, including Jeffrey Miron, who teaches economics at Harvard.

"It might in some cases be a little cruel," Miron said. "But it means you're not taking from people who've worked hard to earn their income (in order) to give it to people who have not worked hard."

But isn't it wrong for people to suffer in a rich country?

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
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1 posted on 04/07/2010 5:26:04 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: listenhillary

I don’t refer to myself as a Libertarian but a mongrel of Regan conservative and libertarian philosophies.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual.


2 posted on 04/07/2010 5:28:13 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: listenhillary

They say they’re for limited government, but they’re pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction

So libertarians are for open borders?


3 posted on 04/07/2010 5:30:33 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: listenhillary

Good article. I do wonder if we are past the tipping point with the number of people who consider themselves entitled to the earnings of the so-called rich?

“But isn’t it wrong for people to suffer in a rich country?

“The number of people who will suffer is likely to be very small. Private charity ... will provide support for the vast majority who would be poor in the absence of some kind of support. When government does it, it creates an air of entitlement that leads to more demand for redistribution, till everyone becomes a ward of the state.”


4 posted on 04/07/2010 5:31:38 AM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: freedomfiter2

Yeah, that sentence struck me the same way.


5 posted on 04/07/2010 5:34:23 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: listenhillary
I, too, describe myself as a libertarian. Was in the party for a while. These purists were just as nuts as socialists, just not as evil. This would not work as a political system either. The answer is simple, just not easy.

Repeal_16

6 posted on 04/07/2010 5:35:56 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Don't just pick between Bull Sh*t and Horse Sh*t, clean out the stable!)
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To: dynachrome

Yes, we are. The election of 0bama is a glaring indication. Time will only tell if the trend can be reversed.


7 posted on 04/07/2010 5:38:24 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Gun, Bible, Gadsden Flag...the definition of a hater and far right-wing extremist)
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To: freedomfiter2
They say they're ... anti-abortion

Likewise, since when is anti-abortion a bigger government thing? Seems to me a recently-passed govt health insurance bill is quite BIG, and pro-abortion (EO's notwithstanding).

8 posted on 04/07/2010 5:39:14 AM PDT by C210N (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: freedomfiter2

If their are no government handouts and the people want to work and produce wealth, it’s a good thing.

Before you throw me under the bus, I realize the security issue. I would love to see 90% of every person I see carrying a handgun. You can have freedom or you can have security. We must choose.

I realize that we can and have been overwhelmed with illegal immigrants and they contributed to our housing boom and bust. With government looking the other way while it happened.

Final answer? I’m firmly on the fence. ;)


9 posted on 04/07/2010 5:40:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: listenhillary

I would consider myself a conservative with libertarian leanings.....the word “Constitutionalist” comes to mind...


10 posted on 04/07/2010 5:41:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (They will get my Fishing Rod when they pry it from my cold dead fingers)
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To: listenhillary

John’s article articulates almost exactly my position on this, right down to the specifics, but does a better job of explaining it.

It is also why I went from Republican to libertarian several years ago.


11 posted on 04/07/2010 5:41:57 AM PDT by RobRoy (qu)
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To: joe fonebone

The drug thing is what convinced me I am libertarian. I haven’t touched marijuana since 1977. I think it should be legal in the same way that alcohol is legal. The government’s position on it insults my dignity.


12 posted on 04/07/2010 5:43:32 AM PDT by RobRoy (qu)
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To: listenhillary

You should be asking advocates of that system, ‘Why don’t you care about the poor?’”


13 posted on 04/07/2010 5:43:46 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: listenhillary

When I was in college, I was wavering between libertarian and republican. I went to both meetings. The libertarians couldn’t even get it together enough to pool their funds and buy refreshments (although they all wanted them, they objected to putting someone in charge to make it happen.) Then they fell to griping about laws against pot and driving without seatbelts or helmets. That was pretty much it. I went with the republicans, although they do indeed support way too much government interference. I wish there was a viable party somewhere between these two.


14 posted on 04/07/2010 5:45:00 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (If one racist Tea-Partier proves all conservatives hate, what do 500 Muslim suicide bombers prove?)
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To: dynachrome
$14 TRILLION in debt.

We aren't a rich nation. We can't make the interest payment. We're bankrupt.

15 posted on 04/07/2010 5:45:40 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
TAXES ARE KILLING US


16 posted on 04/07/2010 5:46:14 AM PDT by timestax (Why do LIBERALS pay NO TAXES$$$? eh)
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To: listenhillary

I view these united states as a brick wall. Before the civil war it was a wall of brick with a thin layer of mortar to hold the bricks together. But it has become a wall of mortar with 50 bricks embedded in it somewhere, but you must chip off a thick layer of mortar to find them.

I want the mortar chipped off the whole wall so we can see the one our fathers built.

This brick wall needs a serious restoration. And a power wash to get rid of all that mildew wouldn’t hurt either.


17 posted on 04/07/2010 5:46:26 AM PDT by RobRoy (qu)
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To: freedomfiter2
So libertarians are for open borders?

There are libertarians and there are Libertarians. Notice the capitlization. It is the difference between someone with political principles and an ideologue.

The open border thing tends to be more of a Libertarian party thing, and the Libertarian party tends to take very extreme positions on what would otherwise be good principles. (Such as essentially desolving borders, not caring if your neighbor is building a nuke in his basement.)

Having libertarian principles is a very good thing, being a member of the Libertarian party means you aren't to be taken seriously.

18 posted on 04/07/2010 5:46:43 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: listenhillary
Charity is good. Forced charity is not so good.

The only thing government should be involved with is the maintenance of public order which includes the protection of the rights of the individual which, of course, includes the right to life.

19 posted on 04/07/2010 5:47:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: listenhillary
hey say they're for limited government, but they're pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction and anti-abortion, and they often support "nation-building."

By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone -- in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Hey John, NEWSFLASH! Abortion kills a person.

20 posted on 04/07/2010 5:47:51 AM PDT by frogjerk
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