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1 posted on 04/07/2010 5:26:04 AM PDT by listenhillary
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I don’t refer to myself as a Libertarian but a mongrel of Regan conservative and libertarian philosophies.

The bigger the government, the smaller the individual.


2 posted on 04/07/2010 5:28:13 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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They say they’re for limited government, but they’re pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction

So libertarians are for open borders?


3 posted on 04/07/2010 5:30:33 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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Good article. I do wonder if we are past the tipping point with the number of people who consider themselves entitled to the earnings of the so-called rich?

“But isn’t it wrong for people to suffer in a rich country?

“The number of people who will suffer is likely to be very small. Private charity ... will provide support for the vast majority who would be poor in the absence of some kind of support. When government does it, it creates an air of entitlement that leads to more demand for redistribution, till everyone becomes a ward of the state.”


4 posted on 04/07/2010 5:31:38 AM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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I, too, describe myself as a libertarian. Was in the party for a while. These purists were just as nuts as socialists, just not as evil. This would not work as a political system either. The answer is simple, just not easy.

Repeal_16

6 posted on 04/07/2010 5:35:56 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Don't just pick between Bull Sh*t and Horse Sh*t, clean out the stable!)
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I would consider myself a conservative with libertarian leanings.....the word “Constitutionalist” comes to mind...


10 posted on 04/07/2010 5:41:20 AM PDT by joe fonebone (They will get my Fishing Rod when they pry it from my cold dead fingers)
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John’s article articulates almost exactly my position on this, right down to the specifics, but does a better job of explaining it.

It is also why I went from Republican to libertarian several years ago.


11 posted on 04/07/2010 5:41:57 AM PDT by RobRoy (qu)
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You should be asking advocates of that system, ‘Why don’t you care about the poor?’”


13 posted on 04/07/2010 5:43:46 AM PDT by Paisan
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When I was in college, I was wavering between libertarian and republican. I went to both meetings. The libertarians couldn’t even get it together enough to pool their funds and buy refreshments (although they all wanted them, they objected to putting someone in charge to make it happen.) Then they fell to griping about laws against pot and driving without seatbelts or helmets. That was pretty much it. I went with the republicans, although they do indeed support way too much government interference. I wish there was a viable party somewhere between these two.


14 posted on 04/07/2010 5:45:00 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (If one racist Tea-Partier proves all conservatives hate, what do 500 Muslim suicide bombers prove?)
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I view these united states as a brick wall. Before the civil war it was a wall of brick with a thin layer of mortar to hold the bricks together. But it has become a wall of mortar with 50 bricks embedded in it somewhere, but you must chip off a thick layer of mortar to find them.

I want the mortar chipped off the whole wall so we can see the one our fathers built.

This brick wall needs a serious restoration. And a power wash to get rid of all that mildew wouldn’t hurt either.


17 posted on 04/07/2010 5:46:26 AM PDT by RobRoy (qu)
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Charity is good. Forced charity is not so good.

The only thing government should be involved with is the maintenance of public order which includes the protection of the rights of the individual which, of course, includes the right to life.

19 posted on 04/07/2010 5:47:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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hey say they're for limited government, but they're pro-drug war, pro-immigration restriction and anti-abortion, and they often support "nation-building."

By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone -- in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Hey John, NEWSFLASH! Abortion kills a person.

20 posted on 04/07/2010 5:47:51 AM PDT by frogjerk
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I agree except for two points: You cannot have open immigration until you end the welfare state and people engaged in abortion are hurting someone else.

Immigration also has profound "neighbor effects", so even in the absence of a welfare state reasonable limits on immigration make sense.

25 posted on 04/07/2010 5:49:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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Nice read and so true. That is always the libtard’s argument: “It is inhumane to have the poor...”


27 posted on 04/07/2010 5:50:27 AM PDT by mikelets456
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Libertarians are Anarchists who bathe.


28 posted on 04/07/2010 5:51:00 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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And so-called liberals? They tend to be anti-gun and pro-choice on abortion. ... By contrast, libertarians want government to leave people alone -- in both the economic and personal spheres. Leave us free to pursue our hopes and dreams, as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

A classic example of the logical fallacy of "begging the question."

Libertarians are apparently supposed to be in favor of abortion because it doesn't "hurt anybody else."

Which is of course what the whole abortion debate is about. Pro-choice people believe abortion takes a human life, which is pretty inarguably hurting somebody else.

39 posted on 04/07/2010 5:58:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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as long as we don't hurt anybody else.

Which is why libertarians should be pro-life; it's not about government dictating what a person can do in their own life, it's about government protecting one person's life against harm by another person persuing their self-interest.

46 posted on 04/07/2010 6:01:41 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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This is an outstanding article by Stossel. He is spot on in his observation of Big Government's creeping devastation of the family, private charity, individual initiative, and our free society.

What I fear now is that we are no longer a moral people who possess the capacity for self government. What we once relished as freedom, we now fear as license. Without morality, we don't trust people to regulate what goes into their own bodies or to avoid other dangerous behaviors. Without respect for the property of others, we attract hordes of new looters who come not to work -- but to get in on the "free" benefits of plunder. As the Welfare State grows larger, we retreat from private charity and lose its rehabilitative effect. And finally, the temptation grows ever stronger to get whatever benefits we can take for ourselves before the system inevitably collapses.

It is this dark side of human nature which tyranny exploits, and which capitalism recognizes and limits. Unless we can once again exercise the self-control that "libertarian" philosophy and a free society require, we will require a dictator who will make us "behave" as he deems fit, and who will ultimately clothe and feed us.

49 posted on 04/07/2010 6:04:09 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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"What am I?"

What are you? Pretty smart, but not quite as wise as the founding fathers. A lover of liberty, but yet a bit ignorant of what is required to preserve that liberty.

Keep at it, though, Mr. Stossel. You're doing well, and doing good.
52 posted on 04/07/2010 6:05:03 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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53 posted on 04/07/2010 6:05:47 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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I like Stossel, but it would be nice if he actually knew what conservatism is.

jw


59 posted on 04/07/2010 6:08:47 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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