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US court rules against FCC on `net neutrality'
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | April 6, 2010 | AP

Posted on 04/06/2010 7:59:11 AM PDT by kosciusko51

On Tuesday April 6, 2010, 10:38 am

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court has ruled that the Federal Communications Commission lacks the authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: comcast; fcc; lping; netneutrality; scotus; verizon
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To: The_Victor

Cmdr. Fitzpatrick being held as a political prisoner in
monroe county tn. he is on a hunger strike. Give ‘em a call
(sheriffs dept.) This man is a great patriot trying to get his charge of treason against the messiah before a crooked ass grand jury and was locked up for his efforts.


21 posted on 04/06/2010 8:30:18 AM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: world weary
Join/start a rural wireless project, stick an antenna on your roof and increase the coverage area.

Would you expound on this for the education of us technologically impaired folk? Source of high-speed access - cellular or satellite? Antenna - please explain? Wouldn't multiple users bog down the single access point?

22 posted on 04/06/2010 8:30:40 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: world weary
Join/start a rural wireless project, stick an antenna on your roof and increase the coverage area.

Have any more details than that?

23 posted on 04/06/2010 8:32:17 AM PDT by houeto (Get drinking water from your ditch - http://www.junglebucket.com/Jungle-Bucket-1.htm)
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To: kosciusko51

Well, that’s heartening! Woohoo!


24 posted on 04/06/2010 8:34:54 AM PDT by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: Oceander

This sounds like a crisis. Obama will be forced to take the broadband suppliers’ companies away from them for the good of the country.


25 posted on 04/06/2010 8:38:21 AM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: eleni121

Nah. Like everything else, it’s just a speed bump for them.


26 posted on 04/06/2010 8:41:39 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: kosciusko51

I’d be happier if the decision, which is concise and available at http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/comcastfcc.pdf, bothered to the Constitution. Instead, it merely notes that Congress has not given the FCC the necessary authority. So Congress can grant the authority needed, according to this decision. That should be no problem for this crowd.

IMHO the court should have stated that the FCC has no authorization UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, which grants the central government zero authority to regulate who does what on a private network.


27 posted on 04/06/2010 8:53:07 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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28 posted on 04/06/2010 8:53:51 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

Whoops, sticky typing fingers, my post should have read “...bothered to mention the Constitution.”

It does not, and that’s a problem.


29 posted on 04/06/2010 8:54:46 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: OB1kNOb; houeto
I'd be glad to. The concept is basic, you really only need a provider (or carrier) to supply access to the cloud. Satellite can work (its kind of expensive though), if you need more bandwidth, you can add more dishes at different points on the network to handle the load, or you can contract with the local telephone company for a dedicated line at some fixed location.

You need a bunch of people to get it started though, and it helps if you're not in an area already provided service by a broadband provider (hence rural wireless). I've done projects where I lived before where we had people make wireless antenna's (its really easy, the internet has many sites for building your own) and put them on their roof, you point your antenna at your neighbors and that starts the network, you can also put repeaters in between to increase coverage area. You're not going to get the speed that wired internet will give you, so you'll have to temper your expectations of the system, but essentially you form a Co-op of the users, everyone contributes to the system, and everyone controls it, you can designate someone to be the technical support or you can hire people to provide that service for the Co-op.

Theres been a lot of success with this type of project in Canada (lots of spread out people, not a lot of broadband), also there are several countries that do this (Bermuda uses distributed wireless to provide internet to its residents).

If you do end up starting something like this up, you'll get a lot of push-back from commercial outfits, often just the threat of something like this could cause them to lower rates in your area (they don't want people working together, threatens their monopoly), but if you can find an industry partner to work with it would give alternatives to people, and its espically good for people in rural areas who use dialup, it also allows cost sharing for sat connections.

its something to think about.

30 posted on 04/06/2010 8:55:23 AM PDT by world weary
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To: kosciusko51

Can I start a pirate FM station now?


31 posted on 04/06/2010 9:00:27 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: library user
Where I live, I can only get dial-up or satellite.

Me too, until recently. Tomorrow I'm heading for civilization to pick up the more robust version of the Stick , which works with cellular technology.

It'll cost me a few hundred bucks to get set up. After that the monthly charge will depend on how much I download. If I'm careful with my use (eg. don't watch too many movies and spend less time on FR) I'll end up saving money.
32 posted on 04/06/2010 9:02:11 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: world weary

Thanks for the insight. It will help me start researching the possibility.


33 posted on 04/06/2010 9:02:50 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
IMHO the court should have stated that the FCC has no authorization UNDER THE CONSTITUTION,

No need to if congress did not give them the authority. There is no law to declare unconstitutional when the government is acting outside the law.

34 posted on 04/06/2010 9:03:18 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: struggle

What do they generally listen to?


35 posted on 04/06/2010 9:05:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: struggle
In the minds of the current FCC chairman , most stations are considered pirate stations now. The FCC chairman Mark Lloyd said in effect that some will have to step down to give others power.
36 posted on 04/06/2010 9:06:07 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: MizSterious

I’m already seeing things happen that I thought “couldn’t happen here.”

I can’t believe what is happening either. We have Chavez loving socialists who are following his playbook. WHEN we take back our country these self-serving, scums of the earth should be run out of the country or put in jail for treason.


37 posted on 04/06/2010 9:09:58 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: caveat emptor
After that the monthly charge will depend on how much I download. If I'm careful with my use (eg. don't watch too many movies and spend less time on FR) I'll end up saving money.

I use a seedbox for downloading/uploading music, movies, etc. I'm pretty much forced to due to my slow ISP speed.

38 posted on 04/06/2010 9:13:44 AM PDT by library user
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To: OB1kNOb; houeto
For the two of you, since you showed interest, heres a link to get you started:

http://www.wirelessinternetreviews.com/consumer/rural-wireless-internet.html

39 posted on 04/06/2010 9:16:25 AM PDT by world weary
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
I’d be happier if the decision, which is concise and available at http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/comcastfcc.pdf, bothered to the Constitution. Instead, it merely notes that Congress has not given the FCC the necessary authority. So Congress can grant the authority needed, according to this decision. That should be no problem for this crowd. IMHO the court should have stated that the FCC has no authorization UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, which grants the central government zero authority to regulate who does what on a private network.

The courts generally take a minimalist approach. If there's no law providing authorization, then they can rule on that ground alone. It's simple, direct, and pretty much impossible to appeal unless the judge gets the law wrong.

Getting into Constitutional issues is trickier, and if the court doesn't have to do it, they generally won't.

If Congress grants the FCC authority and this gets taken back to court again, then questions of Constitutionality matter.

40 posted on 04/06/2010 9:21:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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