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Does U.S. Need To Split Along Political Lines?
Investors.com ^ | April 5, 2010 | WALTER WILLIAMS

Posted on 04/05/2010 5:15:07 PM PDT by Kaslin

Ten years ago I asked the following question in a column titled "It's Time To Part Company":

"If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?"

The problem that our nation faces is very much like a marriage where one partner has broken, and has no intention of keeping, the marital vows. Of course, the marriage can remain intact and one party tries to impose his will on the other and engage in the deviousness of one-upmanship. Rather than submission by one party or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.

I believe we are nearing a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them.

The Democrat-controlled Washington is simply an escalation of a process that has been in full stride for at least two decades. There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways.

You say, "Williams, what do you mean by constitutional abrogation?" Let's look at just some of the magnitude of the violations.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhofascism; bluestates; cw2; cwii; democrats; obama; redstates; schism; walterewilliams; walterwilliams; williams
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Red will control the food production ...

If so, then Red better make it a point to get California, which can and has fed a whole helluva lot of the U.S. not just in crops, but in commercial fishing.

221 posted on 04/07/2010 10:47:07 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: fightinJAG

Here’s an idea. What about a “federalist convention”, kind of like the constitutional conventions of the 1780s, not with the idea of re-writing the constituton, but with the idea of how to get back to the original meaning and intent of the constitution, how to get back on track as it was at the turn of the century.

Governors and attorney’s general from conservative states as main leaders. Maybe conservative states could each have a statewide referendum on taking part in such a convention. Possibly start with the states that have filed lawsuits with the SC on Obamacare. Maybe the first one is fairly private, behind the scenes to discuss strategy.

The point being that they come up with a plan of action on how states can stand up to federal government, possible test cases for the Supreme court, how states would handle existing promises/responsibilities, how the determination is made of what support to give to federal government for revenue for true costs for supporting enumerated powers etc...

Right now we have mainly talk show hosts, some Tea Party organizers and a few brave conservative congressmen and women speaking out, but it’s time for state governors and attorney generals to quietly make a plan of action and then get out in front on this?

Will be back later.


222 posted on 04/07/2010 11:55:42 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: Kellis91789
Where do you get this info ? I expected a move toward this after 9/11 and a huge swing toward telecommuting, but it didn’t happen.

I got that from David Brook's column yesterday. He can't be wrong about everything, right? He got it from Joel Kotkin.

In his book, “The Next Hundred Million: America in 2050,” über-geographer Joel Kotkin sketches out how this growth will change the national landscape. Extrapolating from current trends, he describes an archipelago of vibrant suburban town centers, villages and urban cores.

The initial wave of suburbanization was sprawling and featureless. Tom Wolfe once observed that you only knew you were in a new town when you began to see a new set of 7-Elevens. But humans need meaningful places, so developers have been filling in with neo-downtowns — suburban gathering spots where people can dine, work, go to the movies and enjoy public space.

Over the next 40 years, Kotkin argues, urban downtowns will continue their modest (and perpetually overhyped) revival, but the real action will be out in the compact, self-sufficient suburban villages. Many of these places will be in the sunbelt — the drive to move there remains strong — but Kotkin also points to surging low-cost hubs on the Plains, like Fargo, Dubuque, Iowa City, Sioux Falls, and Boise.

I don't think he's talking about more sprawl, but of smaller planned communities and smaller cities that adapt to that model, rather than to the megalopolitan one.

It's an interesting concept, not so different from retirement communities, or maybe your own plan. But people are going to want cars and garages and then the want yards, and then you're heading back to sprawl.

223 posted on 04/07/2010 1:28:24 PM PDT by x
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To: boxlunch
"What about a 'federalist convention', kind of like the constitutional conventions of the 1780s . . ."

Brilliant idea! There needs to be an organization of states. This could force a return to federalism and might make secession unnecessary. Also, the convention could evolve into a separate government body.

224 posted on 04/07/2010 7:39:33 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: UnwashedPeasant
Why, thank you!

Also, the convention could evolve into a separate government body.

I wasn't actually thinking of a separate government body,as that would be outside the constitution and our goal is to return to the constitution, I was thinking more along the lines of a working coalition to share ideas and strategy, strength in numbers. etc.

225 posted on 04/07/2010 8:07:32 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: x

Yeah, that isn’t quite as dispersed as I thought you meant. I live in SoCal, and his neo-Downtowns and shopping malls in the suburbs as the hub of dining and entertainment are the norm.

It still requires cars, and the lack of concentrated population means it isn’t worthwhile for restaurants and stores to stay open 24hr like in NYC. NYC is what I typically think of when people talk about loving city life. And suburbia just doesn’t offer the open space, views, and amenities that I envision. I envision 50 story highrise apartments, each with a view of Central Park in NYC, and the bottom floors all shops, restaurants, schools, and professional offices. Moving walkways instead of roads and vehicles. The only jobs any distance away would be industrial jobs.


226 posted on 04/08/2010 12:23:11 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Kaslin; LibertyGrrrl; boxlunch; retrokitten; Mamzelle; HangFire; Lady Jenn; Outraged; DoughtyOne; ..
Just wanted to give you all a heads up that Professor Walter Williams will be on the show tomorrow to discuss this article as well as a few other topics. Yay!

It'll be live at 3pmE and then available for replay or dl immediately after. I'm very excited.

=)

227 posted on 04/08/2010 9:16:51 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: AnnaZ

Excellent AnnaZ. Kudos to you.


228 posted on 04/08/2010 9:18:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Be still & kneel before the all knowing/seeing Omnipotent One, Il Douche' Jr. blessings be upon him.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks! It'll be awesome.
229 posted on 04/08/2010 9:21:43 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Spktyr

Yes, indeed. The earners are tired of bearing the burden of carrying the deadbeats that make up the base of the democRAT party. Let’s remove the leeches.

We’ll see two very different countries - one, a prosperous capitalist nation of productive citizens, and the other, a failing socialist nation of lazy freeloaders that refuse to lift a finger to help themselves.

The socialists will quickly learn that their method of governance is only successful as long as there’s other peoples’ money to steal.


230 posted on 04/08/2010 9:41:22 AM PDT by meyer (It's time...)
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To: AnnaZ
That's great!

He's one of my favorites, thanks for the ping.

You are the best.

231 posted on 04/08/2010 9:43:30 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: Tzimisce
They’re not going to let us walk out without a fight.

And they've been trying to provoke that fight for quite a while.

232 posted on 04/08/2010 9:44:15 AM PDT by meyer (It's time...)
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To: bmwcyle
The liberal will just screw up their side and move to our side.

Not if we protect the borders!

233 posted on 04/08/2010 9:46:44 AM PDT by meyer (It's time...)
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To: meyer

Target shoot for every one. We will have to keep up our skills.


234 posted on 04/08/2010 9:54:23 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: AnnaZ; fightinJAG

Thanks for the ping!


235 posted on 04/08/2010 3:19:25 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: AnnaZ

on YOUR show??


236 posted on 04/08/2010 3:43:48 PM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
Yes, darlin'.

=)

237 posted on 04/08/2010 6:24:17 PM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: Kaslin

bump


238 posted on 04/08/2010 6:34:44 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: AnnaZ

oooh, baby!

This is the third time, right??


239 posted on 04/08/2010 8:05:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: AnnaZ
Kewl.  !
240 posted on 04/08/2010 8:24:48 PM PDT by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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