Posted on 04/02/2010 11:30:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Spoliation by Law, what a great find.
If I may butcher a quote from a great movie about a great man: You magnificent Bastiat, you read my book!! (150 years before I wrote it.
From February 2008 to February 2010, the number of unemployed men and women doubled
Hmmmmmmmm.
And what even happened in Feb 2008 that just might have caused America’s long slide into Socialism and Anarchy ........???
Thinking ...
Thinking ....
Nope, Can’t think of a thing.
*** The Obama Recession is now the Obama Depression —— just go check the empty stores at your local mall.
Me.
Nonsense. Greece, Russia.. there are plenty of examples of "giving back" when the spit hits the fan. We're still in the borrowing from the future phase but that cant last for ever.
Darkwolf377: “There’s no sacrifice involved—you’d be GETTING a check.”
What the heck are you talking about? No sacrifice? Dollar for dollar WOULD be a sacrifice, a major sacrifice. Accepting devalued 2010 dollars for decades of contributions and the loss of everything I would have likely gained by investing them in a private retirement plan, and you say there’s NO sacrifice involved. Think again!
Ever hear of compound interest? That alone would have turned my contributions into a tidy sum. Instead I was literally forced by law to donate for many years into a Ponzi scheme that almost certainly won’t pay me back anything close to what I could have done for myself.
Dollar for dollar contributed would be a major sacrifice for anyone who’s been enrolled as long as I have, and that includes millions of older folk who would have opted out had they had the chance.
You're ridiculous. Getting back exactly what you paid in, without the money you COULD have gotten had you invested, is no sacrifice in the real world--you never thought you'd be seeing that money again, and you certainly never had the opportunity to invest it--it was taken from you. Now you're getting it back, in this imaginary situation.
You can play your silly games but in the real world, if the government cut you a check for all you paid in, that's no sacrifice, seeing how that money is down the chute as of now.
Getting your original "investment" back as opposed to losing every single penny in a Ponzi scheme that's way, way in the hole? Please, tell me the "sacrifice".
Ever hear of compound interest? That alone would have turned my contributions into a tidy sum.
But that's a fantasy--what you COULD have done had you originally had the money to do with as you pleased. I'm talking about the reality of the government taking this money from you--never to be seen again (especially if you died before you could get it all back in payments).
Tell me again the "sacrifice" when all that money as of now is in REALITY gone--to be paid for "at a later date".
Please show me the investor who wouldn't take back every dime of his initial investment in a failing scheme and consider himself AHEAD of the game.
Of course. Happens all the time. Thousands of examples of a government program being ended after decades and lots of people say "No problem."
Right--so they will have to take over more private means to "take up the slack."
It's an endless loop we're now on--the system is bankrupt, so the government will have to take more from us to save the decades of "investment" we've put in already, and "keep the promises we've made" and blah blah blah.
It's a nightmare, and we're all living it.
Government must return to h conservative ands. That is not on the horizon though since the Rats are preparing to steal the 2010 elections and rule in perpetuity.
Heres some examples: The Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program, National Recovery Administration (NRA), The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) , Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 .
If theres the political will, theres a way. Stop reading from the Democrap talking points, its embarassing .
Despite the news media’s soft-pdealing more people are beginning to hear what you say. I would personally contribute to a PAC that issued warnings via paid TV and radio messages. If people could see in real images the chaos that would descend down into their own home, neighborhood and city they might finally believe.
I know it may be too late. But after Reagan won, the polls showed that few people believed the economy could be improved. Most voted for Reagan because they thought he was a decent man. I didn’t feel a change until fuel prices halved one week (the oil bubble collapsed). I had three delivery trucks that suddenly would cost half as much per mile to carry products to customers. When I did a rough extrapolation for the whole economy I knew things were turning up.
Sometimes all we can do is pray and sometimes the answer is YES>
First off, who are you to say it’s no sacrifice for middle aged people to give up SS? We may not be there quite yet, but we are certainly close enough to start collecting soon.
Secondly, we DID contribute. It’s an EARNED benefit, albeit one you and I probably agree shouldn’t be there in the first place. Had I been given the chance to opt out, I would have done so.
So, it’s pretty obnoxious on your part to write off decades of contributions by other folks. So you say it’s no sacrifice, that the money’s gone. Well, the government doesn’t have the money to pay military pensions either. Should we just write those off, too???
You see, there’s a big difference between folks who take money from others by virtue of wealth redistribution and those who have actually earned government benefits. There are legitimate, constitutional benefits that were earned. Those should be the LAST to be sacrificed.
Truth be told, I’d probably still walk away from SS if I could simply stop contributing, but it takes serious gall on your part to write off what millions of us have paid into so nonchalantly.
If conservatives actually want to achieve power, they better learn the difference between an earned benefit and a freebie. No one is going to elect someone who wants to write off people who earned benefits simply because some think it’s no big deal to do so.
You want a chance at changing the country back? Well, you aren’t going to achieve that by pissing on other people (minimizing their sacrifices) because of your political ideology.
I know many elderly folks who are completely dependent on SS and Medicare. No way am I going to write them and their contributions off even if I think the programs themselves are unconstitutional. We made promises as a nation, and those promises need to be kept. If it comes to cutting, fine! Start cutting off the welfare moms, the endless ranks of bureaucrats, all the other payments to people who haven’t earned them. Maybe if all that’s cut and there’s still not enough, maybe then it will be time to start asking people who have earned benefits to start sacrificing.
I didn't say that. I said getting all your SS money back wasn't a sacrifice.
Since your very first sentence is a lie or an example of your reading skills, there's no point in reading the rest of your post, so I won't.
One part of the New Deal which was ended when war came along and there wasn't any need. It was replaced, as opposed to (per my quote) being ended after decades.
National Recovery Administration (NRA),
Another part of the New Deal--are you really trying to argue that because elements of the larger program ended that the New Deal was rolled back? You need to hit the books and not just clip titles. It was instituted in 1933 and ended by the SCOTUS in 1935--uh, "ended after decades" comes in where...?
The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) ,
Because you're trying to save face, and can't admit you're 100% wrong, you have now used THREE examples from the New Deal (including this one, which ended in less than a decade and was considered a temporary fix anyway).
If you're trying to say that Roosevelt's New Deal was turned back because three elements of it were ended or replaced by other programs, you need to read some books.
Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988 .
Again, you've taken one PART of a program as an example of (I quote once again)"a government program being ended after decades"--this act was repealed within a year and a half.
You're confusing elements of program with the programs themselves. You would have a point if all of the New Deal programs or all of Medicare were repealed ("after decades").
By your logic, every time Congress alters social security or Medicare, they're being "repealed after decades".
If theres the political will, theres a way. Stop reading from the Democrap talking points, its embarassing .
Start using the facts when arguing, it's embarassing watching you flail because you want to be "right" and then you show you don't even understand the original point you're arguing against.
If theres the political will, theres a way. Stop reading from the Democrap talking points, its embarassing .
Aside from your utterly asinine "You don't agree with me so you're reading Dem talking points" tone of that last sentence, it's pretty clear which of us is the one doing the Democrats' will. You're doing just what they want with your "Don't worry, we can overturn it" silliness.
We need fewer head-in-the-clouds types like yourself, who think that modifying a few programs around the edges means the massive social programs started by FDR are easily turned back because a couple of modifications were made (and their controls and expenditures, uh, taken up by government without missing a beat).
We need fewer people who are buying the Dems' soothing fantasies (that'd be you) and more folks who understand the reason the Dems are so happy right now, polls be damned, is because they know they've just made law a program which isn't going away.
Next time, don't bring a pea shooter to a gunfight. Or simply discuss the issue without the stupid insult at the end, especially since you don't have the facts straight.
All is lost, Blockhead. Buy a gun and kill yourself.
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