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Bad guys use 'good guys' to get their guns
StarTribune.com ^ | 3/31/10 | James Walsh

Posted on 04/01/2010 7:32:29 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

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Can't remember the last time I saw a Hi-Point on a shelf...
1 posted on 04/01/2010 7:32:30 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Ugh. Hi-Point. An affront to good taste. Not surprised the gang-bangers like them, since they are dirt cheap.


2 posted on 04/01/2010 7:37:43 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Jeez they are cheap guns..I bought a 380 auto for $200 in CA,reason it was the ugliest gun i have ever seen just had to have one...


3 posted on 04/01/2010 7:37:57 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Hi Point is the worst POS pistol on the market!


4 posted on 04/01/2010 7:38:19 AM PDT by catman67
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Bad guys use “good” guys? WTF is “good” about an individual who knowingly provides firearms to criminals?


5 posted on 04/01/2010 7:40:09 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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Hi Point is the worst POS pistol on the market!

Wouldn't that make it a good "drop" piece?

6 posted on 04/01/2010 7:41:38 AM PDT by JimRed (To water the Tree of Liberty is to excise a cancer before it kills us. TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Note the comments on this story from the standard “ we don’t want to take your guns...we just want you fingerprinted every time you buy one” types. Wouldn’t it be WONDERFUL if Hussein had a list of all gun owners in the US, including precisely what we own and, undoubtedly, where they are kept??!! I can’t imagine the radical left taking advantage of such information to harass, intimidate, confiscate, tax.....NAH. Those folks are just TOO honorable! And besides, they “don’t want to take our guns!!!”

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
-Patrick Henry.


7 posted on 04/01/2010 7:43:50 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: JimRed

That’s about all it’s good for. Knew someone who brought a 9mm Hi Point to the range. He couldn’t hit a man-sized target at 15 yards with it!


8 posted on 04/01/2010 7:45:15 AM PDT by catman67
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Yes, but if everyone in your posse or crew has one and swaps barrel, slide, and receivers around, forensic ballistics become more difficult.

Think of the posse as a military outfit- you want them all to have the same gear to make maintenance and supply logistics easier.

Lots of evidence that some of the bigger gangs have offshore “help” with organization, communication, and supply. MS-13 comes to mind, they are way too organized for a bunch of yoot.


9 posted on 04/01/2010 7:47:08 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: JimRed
Bad guys use “good” guys? WTF is “good” about an individual who knowingly provides firearms to criminals?

Nothing.

But, if you repeat it often enugh, it ticks in the mind. so the next time you use the argument that you are for law abiding citizens owning weapons, this story sticks out.

Because there is a difference between felon and convicted felon. Lazy people negate the law-braking part in their mind. they focus on the never-convicted-before "good guy."

He seems like your average joe. Remember, he bought the guns "legally." Words like "legally" stick out like everything is on the up and up. But, due to circumstances beyond average joe's control, or because he didn'tknow, or evil cnservatives made him do it, guns he bought "LEGALLY" wound up in the hands of previously convicted felnious "bad guys."

These things can happen to any "good guy" which is why we need a 5 year waiting period on all BB guns and an outright ban on everything else. To further my point, look at all of the guns owned by previously law abiding citizens that suddenly become animated, hop in an SUV, and kill innocent people that don't even like the thougt, sell, sound, or word gun.

10 posted on 04/01/2010 7:48:15 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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WTF is “good” about an individual who knowingly provides firearms to criminals?

And, as it turns out, he wasn't really an example of a "good" guy either.

thanks to his prior felony conviction for selling lots of guns.

11 posted on 04/01/2010 7:52:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (We were hoping for flying unicorns that crapped skittles. We got nationalized health care.)
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To: DBrow

Good point.

What we need is a Federal law prohibiting interchangeable parts in any manufactured device.


12 posted on 04/01/2010 7:52:13 AM PDT by satan
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To: catman67
That’s about all it’s good for. Knew someone who brought a 9mm Hi Point to the range. He couldn’t hit a man-sized target at 15 yards with it!

He must have gotten a bad one - I picked one up as a truck gun, and I'm always amazed at how easy to shoot and how accurate it is.

Plus, they have the best warranty around - send it in, and they'll fix it or send you a new one, no questions asked. And, they make them here in Ohio. ;)

13 posted on 04/01/2010 7:55:57 AM PDT by TonyInOhio ( Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.)
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Aahh! They are coming after my John Deere!


14 posted on 04/01/2010 7:57:14 AM PDT by DBrow
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If they can prove he was a drug addict, seems to me thats another thing they could have busted him for. As I recall from the last time I filled out the federal form it asks if you use illegal drugs or something like that. Sounds like he lied on a federal form which should give him some more time. Anyone who is definitely buying guns for other people to kill and commit crimes is a scumbag and deserves as much time as he can get.

I wouldn’t have any objection with the feds increasing the jail time you get for straw purchasing. Especially if the straw gun you bought was used to murder someone.

Straw purchases are a problem, but the solution is not a one handgun a month law. As Franklin said, those who would trade a little security for freedom deserve neither security or freedom. Clamp down on the scumbags who are doing it when caught. Don’t clamp down on the rest of the citezenry.


15 posted on 04/01/2010 8:07:07 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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16 posted on 04/01/2010 8:13:38 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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Dunno what the big deal.
This Murphy guy committed a crime by making straw purchases for people not allowed to have firearms.
He was caught, and will hopefully serve a long jail sentence for his crimes; maybe a little shorter if he rats out the people for whom he purchased the guns.
Case closed, right?

BTW, those are really crummy pistols he bought. The only thing worse I could think of would be a “Stallard.”


17 posted on 04/01/2010 8:17:52 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Straw purchases are a problem, but the solution is not a one handgun a month law.

Straw purchases are probably not NEARLY the problem that stolen guns and guns smuggled across the border by gangs. Straw purchases made from a licensed dealer (or even a pawn shop) are still EXPENSIVE. Even a CHEAP gun is over $200. And if the straw purchaser has to shell out over $200 then the illegal purchasers must be paying even more than that in order for the straw purchaser to have any incentive to commit a felony for them.

18 posted on 04/01/2010 8:32:41 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Give them 2.54 cm and they'll take 1.61 km.)
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Prosecutors were able to obtain a heavier sentence for the one gun, thanks to his prior felony conviction for selling lots of guns.

If he had a PRIOR FELONY CONVICTION, then how was he able to legally make all these purchases?

19 posted on 04/01/2010 8:33:47 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Give them 2.54 cm and they'll take 1.61 km.)
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Something is certainly not right, here....


20 posted on 04/01/2010 8:39:31 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Their Walls Are Built Of Cannon Balls, Their Motto Is "Don't Tread On Me".)
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