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Arizona to Legalize Lane-Splitting, France to Ban it?
motorcycledaily.com ^ | March 30, 2010 | Gabe Ets-Hokin

Posted on 03/31/2010 7:29:11 AM PDT by Dick Holmes

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To: AFreeBird
My last one looked just like this, a 2000 BMW R1100S. Had it for 5 years and sold it in 2005


121 posted on 03/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: TheThirdRuffian
As noted in studies above, the SAFEST PLACE for a motorcyclist to be in gridlocked traffic is BETWEEN cars.

And we here in LA here of daily accidents of bikers in between cars.

Many of them die.

Sorry, but I don't believe your "Studies".
122 posted on 03/31/2010 12:21:17 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Show me one person in a car injured by a lane-splitter.

I'd have to have access to DMV records to do that, but they do exist.

When a biker splits two cars on a freeway going 35 or above, and an accident occurs, and they do on almost a daily basis, there are situations where the drivers of the cars are going to lose control trying to avoid the stupid jerk on the bike.
123 posted on 03/31/2010 12:23:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: TheThirdRuffian
The number of times I’ve been “bumped” (either by inattention or by someone who thinks it’s funny to crowd a biker) is far too many to count.

And given the attitude you've displayed on this thread, I am so sure your behavior never had a part in those incidents, correct?
124 posted on 03/31/2010 12:24:08 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: rahbert
I started riding in CA 40-some years ago, split lanes constantly and never had a problem. I found getting rear-ended or being cut off a far more common experience.

Yep...In Cal many times ya see drivers moving over slightly when a bike is approaching from behind, on the line...No big deal, and shows the drivers here are paying much better attention.

125 posted on 03/31/2010 12:26:43 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: rahbert
In some states they would need to change more than the law though. In Texas for example, the car drivers take it personally when a motorcycle tries to slip by

The country is full of AHs.

126 posted on 03/31/2010 12:27:35 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: SoConPubbie

That would be correct.

Sitting there in traffic while illegals get as close as possible with their bumper seems to be a sport.

But, yes, I don’t care for idiots, in general. Especially nanny-state idiots.


127 posted on 03/31/2010 12:29:14 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Sorry, but I don’t believe your “Studies””

Facts do hinder people with agendas.


128 posted on 03/31/2010 12:29:59 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: clamper1797

What you fail to understand, is that on any freeway there are curves. One of those bikes can come up on you in a split second out of a blind spot. Unless I keep my eyes continually in the rear view mirror, or have my head turned toward the back, I can’t possibly catch them.

I’m having to deal with stop and go traffic, trying to keep from rear ending someone in front of me, or a split second chance to change lanes, and you want me to solely concentrate on the traffic behind me.

That’s unrealistic, and a terrible dangerous mindset from you. It causes you to unrealistically think someone else will catch that glimpse of you in time, when it simply isn’t always possible.

Look at you. You blamed this on me, which clearly isn’t the case. You need to come to terms with that.


129 posted on 03/31/2010 12:47:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Il Douche' and his Douche Baggers will save us...)
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To: Kenny Bunk

LOL, hey...


130 posted on 03/31/2010 12:48:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Il Douche' and his Douche Baggers will save us...)
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To: AFreeBird

“There is evidence that traveling between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars (i.e., lane splitting) on multiple-lane roads (such as interstate highways) slightly reduces crash frequency compared with staying within the lane and moving with other traffic. Although lane splitting is allowed in just a few areas of the United States, notably California, it appears to be worthy of further study because it offers a means of reducing congestion in addition to possible safety benefits. It is widely used in many other countries.”

United States. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Motorcycle Safety Foundation (2000), National agenda for motorcycle safety, U.S. Dept. of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration


131 posted on 03/31/2010 12:56:07 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Celerity
Thank you for bringing some sense to this discussion. With all the high-level view like “individual freedoms,” the reality is quite simple: most drivers in this country are inexperienced to be around motorcyclists as is. I always thought that life on a motorcycle is dangerous enough without lane-splitting.
132 posted on 03/31/2010 12:57:00 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Um, yea. I read the article and many comments. Can't figure out why you responded to my FJR picture with that.

I agree that when a road becomes a parking lot, it's okay to split lane on a cycle. I've done it in CA, very nerve wracking, but less so than sitting there with high heat coming off the engine, sweating, and surrounded by cars/trucks driven by increasingly agitated/annoyed/*issed off drivers.

133 posted on 03/31/2010 1:11:34 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

“Can’t figure out why you responded to my FJR picture with that.”

Because you were the first person from the bottom that wasnt a cager.


134 posted on 03/31/2010 1:16:28 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Those who defend lane splitting in the overwhelming majority of the states where it is currently illegal (and crow about disobeying current law) cannot be relied upon to respect any aspect of any other traffic law - current or future.

Present behavior is the best predictor of future behavior. Why should I support additional privileges so they can pick and choose the ones that suit them?

Reminds me of bicyclists who demand more bike lanes because of the danger in riding among cars, but who at the same time ignore their repsponsibilities to pedestrians. A pretty consistent picuture of selfabsorption emerges almost immediately - in both cases.


135 posted on 03/31/2010 1:45:06 PM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Facts do hinder people with agendas.

And most studies include hidden biases, case in point the current Global Warming Scam and the fraudualent studies used to support it.

Studies are worthless.

I'll take first hand experience, and local news reports of the myriad accidents and deaths caused by reckless Bikers, many of them splitting lanes over your study that you, I, and most other people cannot prove the accuracy of.
136 posted on 03/31/2010 1:55:12 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: truth_seeker
It is about freedom; freedom to do something if you desire.

Freedom to put other's lives at risk and make them liable for the stupid actions of the bikers given the insane liability laws that exist right now.
137 posted on 03/31/2010 1:57:10 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

“Freedom to put other’s lives at risk and make them liable for the stupid actions of the bikers given the insane liability laws that exist right now.”

I don’t ride a motorcycle. I have driven in California for 46 years.

From my experience, I have no problem with lane splitting.

There are safe, skilled motorcycle riders, and the opposite.

Motorcycles lose in collisions with four wheel vehicles, so I don’t feel threatened by them.

Who am I to deprive a safe motorcyclist from saving a few minutes in the morning going to work?

Conversely if a lane splitter is unsafe, that violates the law, just like unsafe driving in a four wheeled vehicle.


138 posted on 03/31/2010 2:15:50 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: SoConPubbie

Reckless biker lane splitting isn’t what’s being legalized. What’s being legalized is lane splitting in stopped or very slow traffic. All those guys doing 80 between cars doing 30 will still be illegal, this is only legalizing guys doing 5 to 10 between cars doing 0 to 5.


139 posted on 03/31/2010 2:20:05 PM PDT by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yeah, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is so agenda driven.

You’re a fool.


140 posted on 03/31/2010 2:20:35 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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