What If the 50 States Joined Together and Formed a New Federal Government? (Vanity)

March 24, 2010 | lmsii

[x]

What if global warming submerged the whole earth under water?

I bet Costner weighed in on that question as well.

IMHO, both are silly questions, but that's just MHO.

[LomanBill]

>>It can't be any worse...

 

IIRC, that was not the general opinion rendered a year or so ago when the option of a Constitutional Convention was discussed.  Things could be MUCH worse, given the opportunity.

 

The stupidification of the "empowered" majority is observably exploited at every opportunity by politically astute activist minority miscreants such as those who cleverly managed to turn Colorado blue.

 

The process of American Reformation should be deliberately slow and driven by Truth, Logic, and Reason - not by fire in the minds of men possessed by political emotion.

[AFreeBird]

Yea, we will need a place to expel the libs to. Even Canada might not want them.

[TenthAmendmentChampion]

Bumper sticker:

Dear DC: We brought you into this world and we can take you out!
--- The 50 States

[Vendome]

Guess they would dig a moat around D.C. and hunker down in their Commie Utopia.

[rarestia]

I agree. Secession may need to be a State’s “Nuclear Option.” Of course it’s not enumerated in the Constitution. That would be like choosing how you’re going to die when you’re born.

If it happens, I believe States will form coalitions. I’m of the opinion that a large amount of the original Confederacy would be intact. Hopefully we can all come to an agreement on our government.

These are volatile times in the US. Believe it or not, we are writing history that future Chinese capitalist children will read about the most recent “Roman Empire” to fall. I believe that a majority of us will see very few effects from the fallout. Major cities would see rampant crime, martial order, but those of us in suburbia will need to learn how to hunker down and stay put.

[tacticalogic]

See post 32. Who is going to enforce it if a majority of the states form a new government?

It will not happen without bloodshed. Power will not be relinqushed willingly. There will be alliances, and betrayal, and war.

[Vendome]

10th amendment.

[coydog]

The draft dodgers that came our way during the 60’s were bad enough. Trudeau is long dead, though two of his worthless offspring are still around. I don’t think we’ll be accepting another flood of troublemakers this time.

[lmsii]

I would hope that there would not be violence. That was not the intent of the original question.

I would perfer a peaceful solution, such as: States collectively saying “Your not in control, we are. Your are out our new government is in.”

Would the Army fight the citizens of the States or join with them? I think join with them.

[AFreeBird]

After reading about Ann’s account; it sounds like you have a few troublemakers still there you’d like to get rid of.

[tacticalogic]

I would hope that there would not be violence. That was not the intent of the original question.

I would hope not too. But it seems reckless to pursue the question as if that which appears unlikely is given.

[rhombus]

Nah, the 10th doesn’t say you can break the union.

[Safrguns]

lol... technically, that is constitutionally possible.

but not practical.

[The Pack Knight]

Would it be a violation of the Constitution? Where in the Constitution is there an “escape clause”? Is it really there or is it imagined to be there like abortion rights? Why do you think the founders didn’t have an explicit “escape cluase”? Didn’t we already fight that war? Hey, I’m just askin’.

There wasn't an "escape clause" in the Articles of Confederation, either. In fact it explicitly stated that the union was "perpetual". We discarded the Articles and the "United States in Congress Assembled" and replaced them with the current Constitution and federal government all the same.

[Nosterrex]

The federal government keeps the union together by force of arms. That was the lesson learned from the Civil War. A state has to remain within this specific union even if every resident in that state wanted to secede. As long as the federal government controls the army, much as Rome ruled by the loyalty of the military to Caesar, the imperial hegemony in Washington rules by force. If the military refused to enforce the POTUS’ orders, many states would leave and form a far better government than the one that we have now. Washington does not represent the wishes of the electorate in many states. Basically, five states determine the POTUS. Even if all 50 states decided to form their own government, Washington would not allow that to happen. We would have martial law declared throughout all 50 states and the leaders declared terrorists.

[coydog]

Yes, definitely, but we don’t want any more. If I had a child about to go to post-secondary education, I’d rather they go to a community college these days than a university. They’re madhouses now.

[rhombus]

Good argument. Unfortunately the reality is that we can’t even get enough votest to amend the Constituion let alone doing away with it.

[quintr]

And then we could have a North and South Illinois (where the majority of population is Cook County). South Illinois could live quite well without North Illinois. IMO

[LS]

Actually, I was just reading Thomas Jefferon’s language on the new states to be created out of Virginia’s “ceded” lands after the Revolution and Jefferson . . . JEFFERSON! . . . explicitly stated that the new states would be bound to the Union in perpetuity and would be subject to the Constitution and the laws of Congress. Hmmm. Guess he wouldn’t favor the Confederacy.