Posted on 03/23/2010 2:09:54 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
"There is non-controversial stuff here like the preexisting conditions exclusion and those sorts of things," the Texas Republican said. "Now we are not interested in repealing that. And that is frankly a distraction."
(Excerpt) Read more at corner.nationalreview.com ...
“Since there are many more healthy people than sick people it will not bankrupt the insurance company it will just cause rates to go up a little. In my opinion that’s the price we pay for living in a civilized society.”
You know what else is the price for living in civilization? A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. Oh, and HDTVs in every living room, eating at restaurants every night of the week, and having decent tennis shoes. When does it stop? When we’re bankrupt, I guess.
The price of civilization has already been paid. There is a social safety net. There is no crisis. And whatever problems there may be, we need not solve them by setting the industry on a path to be nationalized.
“They are probably the most regulated industry out there!”
I’d put it behind the banking industry, which has been centrally controlled for nearly the last century (and intermittently before then). Which, coincidentally or not, nearly sunk our economy. Almost makes one think there might be a correlation between government interference and poor performance.
That article was slanted to make the insurance company look evil. (duh, what else is new?)
The article states that one insurance company rescinded (cancelled) in-force policies of sick people.
What it didn’t say was that in most states (probably all, but I haven’t checked all of them), state law PROHIBITS rescinding a policy unless it has been in force for LESS THAN 2 YEARS AND THE APPLICANT LIED ON THE APPLICATION ABOUT THE HEALTH OF ONE OF THE INSUREDS.
In other words, the company can rescind a policy for the applicant COMMITING FRAUD to obtain coverage and lower rates - but ONLY if within 2 years (maybe 1 or 3 years in some states) of the application. After that, the company is stuck with the policy unless premiums go unpaid beyond the grace period.
Some people just refuse to read their insurance policy, so when a claim is unpaid or coverage denied, they accuse the insurance company of being evil.
A policy is a unilateral contract and it’s provisions can not be changed after issuance except for changes allowed in the contract itself. The insured/owner can cancel the policy by not paying premiums when due. The insurance company can NOT cancel or refuse to renew coverage except by conditions or renewal provisions specified in the contract.
READ THE DAMN POLICY!
I have NO PITY for those who won’t read their policy, and instead rely only on their agent or call-center contact or employee of the company.
I refer you to my previous remarks.
Sorry again not interested.
My philosophy in life is fairly simple. "Say what you are going to do, do what you said you would." All the rest no matter how one parses it is lies. To many lies in Washington now. We need less lies and more truth and adherence to the Constitution. And Promising something that is Constitutionally impossible is definitely S.S.D.P.
Now if you want to run on the promise you will bring the measure to the House and Senate Floors (If they get control of each that is) then such is all well and good. They would be able to keep that promise. Promising passage though is bullshit and both you and I know it!
After TARP I knew he’d drank the RINO koolaid
The Senator is denying this report. I’ve been looking for the source and the phrases are remarkably like those made on “the Morning Joe” on MSNBC by Al Hunt on Monday morning, when the Senator was on that show. Huff’s writers aren’t reporters and aren’t reliable.
Tell us about your scheduler.
Also, Cornyn’s denying saying any such thing. Who would believe the huff, anyway?
This was posted on the TX message board yesterday.
RebelTex
The Huffington Post lied about what Cornyn said. Mark Levin called his office and basically he said that he didn’t say any such thing, he is in favor of killing the entire bill.
You don’t get it. The entire health care bill is a house of cards. Pull a few cards out and the entire thing collaspes. So it is best to pull the cards that everyone hates, including progressives, to bring the thing down. The pre-xisting condition card is too emotional and is a losing card to pull. Only a fool would attempt that losing path when you have the card of forced mandates and IRS garnising wages of 2.5%.
The fact of the matter is, it ain’t going to be repealed.
There is only one way it will be stopped and we do not have the guts to do that.
Our side cried, “We got Oath Keepers, We got the Military” to defend the Constitution. The Constitution was raped when he was allowed to assume power and the Democrats have not stopped their assault on it yet. This was the final blow.
To sum it up: The Democrats said what they were going to do.
We said, No, you are not. They called our bluff and did. The ball is back in our court.
In 1942 on the island of Gudacanal, the Marines were under a night attack by the Japanese. The fighting was furious and some Marines were wavering. The Marine Commander, Red Mike Edison rallied them when he shouted,”Get back up there, the only thing he has that you don’t is guts.”
And that, until it is proved different is where we stand today.
Despite your sign-up date.
Maybe you just flipped like Benedict Arnold ? How much is Axelrod paying you to spread this defeatism? /sarc>
It's trivial. People are (as we speak) being denied coverage under Obamacare, section 1151.
Medicare recipients are being denied follow-up treatment within 30 days of an initial consult: even in the case of complications.
And Congress has placed that section of the law outside judicial review.
Personal experience beats your Axelrod/Pfouffe/Emmanuel talking points EVERY day.
(Hint: Obama is at -26% among INDEPENDENTS. And people vote the economy. What good is healthcare from the Dept. of Motor Vehicles when you don't have a job.)
(Hint 2: participation in most elections is 50%, and Obama already got 95% of the black vote. He's tapped out that resource, and the GOP has hardly touched the non-voters who are fed up with Communism.)
Nice try though, troll-boy.
“Promising something that is Constitutionally impossible is definitely S.S.D.P.”
Actually, it isn’t Constitutionally impossible, just highly unlikely. If Republicans are to run on repealing healthcare reform, of course they’d have to make the point that they’d need a veto-proof majority to do so. Running on repeal doesn’t mean you promise repeal no matter what. Anyone who did that would be just plain stupid, nevermind a liar.
By the way, your obstinate truth-telling is admirable, I guess. However, it absolutely does not make one a liar to not “do what you said you would.” Do you think Obama planned all along to keep gitmo open? Did he deliberately lie about closing it to win leftist votes? I think not. He no doubt fully intended to close it before he realized how complicated the issue is. To someone as naive as you, I suppose that’s a lie. But if it was, all politicians are liars and cads (they are, by the way), and we should never listen to them and wash our hands of politics altogether because there’s never going to be another “Honest” Abe or George “Cherry-Tree” Washington.
Now, Republicans don’t need to go so far as Obama did, inm promising to repeal healthcare legislation. All they have to do is promise to try their best, and it’ll win them votes. Someone (one of those dirty strategists) will say, “Keep it simple and drop the ‘try’ part; everyone knows what you’re saying anyway.” Will everyone know what you’re saying? Yes! Because everyone knows running on repeal means you’ll repeal it if you can. Because voters are stupid, but not that stupid.
“You don’t get it. The entire health care bill is a house of cards. Pull a few cards out and the entire thing collaspes”
B.S. The preexisting condition thing is WORSE without the individual mandate. Leave that, of all things, in, and it alone might be enough for the federal government to step in, cluck its tongue, say “tsk, tsk,” and finally nationalize the industry.
“The pre-xisting condition card is too emotional and is a losing card to pull. Only a fool would attempt that losing path when you have the card of forced mandates and IRS garnising wages of 2.5%.”
The public is not that discriminating. KISS (keep it simple, stupid) is always the best strategy. Anyway, it’s not as if we’re advocating that Republicans call preexisting conditions out by name. We don’t need to talk about them at all. Libs will of course bring it up, but when they do, we don’t have to respond, except to say we’ll look into it when we start over.
If healthcare (that is, healthcare, not “healthcare minus preexisting coverage”) is unpopular enough to win the election for Republicans, it will win the election for Republicans. If preexisting coverage is popular enough to torpedo Republican calls for repeal, I’m sorry, but Republicans won’t win (oh, they’ll gain seats, but they won’t be able to do anything about healthcare). It’s as simple as that. Running on healthcare minus preexisting condition coverage will never, ever, never give Republicans the votes it needs for repeal.
Ahhh I see so to a liberal like you intent is all that matters I would surmise) (I mean after all if we are going on assumptions then all I have so far as to your political leanings is that we should do exactly as the Liberals and promise things that can't be delivered and "Intent" trumps results Which is the mantra of all things liberal!)
Whether you intend to not tell a lie has little meaning in any given situation. Either something is true or it is not, there is no middle ground. (except for liberals who want to play both sides of the line...)
Example: If I assure you that the gun I handed you is unloaded and it will be OK to aim it at your head or someone Else's heart and pull the trigger, and you do so and kill yourself or whomever you aimed at because it was in fact loaded (even though someone else had chambered a round after I had checked it), then in fact I lied you or someone else died. And I am willing to bet many people would be very unhappy with me!
Never try to parse logic my friend, truth is truth and always will be.
Again with the "troll".
I guess November will prove who's right in this case, won't it.
Setting your hair (or in your case, "grey whiskers") on fire over this and running around calling folks unkind names isn't going to change anything.
The 2010 elections? Well, that's another story altogether. Will your hair (or whiskers) stay on fire that long?
And, assuming the rinos triumph in November, how much of the new socialized healthcare law do you suspect they'll be able to repeal?
Just curious since you seem to know and tell all.
>> Has it not occured to you yet that the day of which you speak is already here?
Yeah it has, but I’m a naive optimist. So sue me. :-)
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I'm wit youse!
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