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Student can’t sue over ‘Ave Maria’ ban
AP via MSNBC ^ | 03/22/10 | Staff

Posted on 03/22/2010 2:50:02 PM PDT by OldDeckHand

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Monday refused to let a high school student sue over school officials' refusal to let her play an instrumental version of "Ave Maria" at her graduation, a decision one justice says could lead to wide-ranging censorship of student speech.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; firstamendment; moralabsolutes; religion; scotus
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To: bgill

Interesting.But they’d better keep it quiet lest the ACLU finds out.They’d obviously be outraged and would immediately work to stop that despicable policy.


21 posted on 03/22/2010 3:29:21 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: OldDeckHand

No, I go back to 1770-1800, way before Mann. They ALL, every one, supported public (i.e., government-funded) schools as opposed to “private” or religious schools. At the time, there was no such thing as a private secular school. Benj. Rush said if people can’t agree to fund schools, then there is nothing worth funding. I can’t find a comment by Jefferson one way or another, but I found statements by almost every other major Founder in favor of public schools. I wish it were otherwise, but the evidence is the evidence.


22 posted on 03/22/2010 3:30:21 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: humblegunner
"Well, since you have given up.. over some student "music".. "

If you think this is about student music, you're not paying attention.

23 posted on 03/22/2010 3:33:08 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (USA - b. July 4, 1776 / d. March 21, 2010)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I didn’t name names here but it’s hardly a secret on Friday nights.


24 posted on 03/22/2010 3:33:39 PM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: LS
While we're killing public education, let's get to work rendering idiotic decisions like this one -- and the court decisions behind them -- meaningless.

A friend of mine went through this with one of his kids. When the school "outlawed" the musical piece in question, the kid just went ahead and played it anyway.

Case closed.

25 posted on 03/22/2010 3:36:57 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: TigerBait

No. The last thing I want is for government to start telling private schools what to do. This will happen if you pass vouchers.


26 posted on 03/22/2010 3:37:01 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: OldDeckHand
If you think this is about student music, you're not paying attention.

Whatever. You have given up.. see the following quote:

The Republic is lost.

And you gave up over some student music.

Pretty weak, actually.

I guess we didn't really need a weak sister like you anyway.

Go forth, grasshopper, and fight the convenient fight for student music.

Until it makes you sad. Then give up.

Awesome, you.

27 posted on 03/22/2010 3:40:56 PM PDT by humblegunner (*)
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To: humblegunner
"Pretty weak, actually. "

I agree. You're intellectual capacity that fails to understand that this isn't about music, is pretty weak.

28 posted on 03/22/2010 3:44:31 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (USA - b. July 4, 1776 / d. March 21, 2010)
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To: NYer

Gotta ping it out tomorrow.

I’m afraid of how insane it’s going to get, fast.


29 posted on 03/22/2010 3:53:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: OldDeckHand
The Republic is lost.

Over some high school music.

Yeah.

30 posted on 03/22/2010 3:53:28 PM PDT by humblegunner (*)
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To: OldDeckHand

She should play it anyway. Let’em cut her mic ... drag her out.
Great publicity for public education. ;o)


31 posted on 03/22/2010 4:03:35 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (John has a long mustache)
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To: Liberty Valance
She should play it anyway

Agreed. If it's good enough for Carnegie Hall and the White House, it's good enough for the school.

32 posted on 03/22/2010 4:05:01 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yeah, there’s not much they can really do. And so what if they “suspend” the student. Big deal. A smart kid makes it up in a few days anyway.


33 posted on 03/22/2010 4:22:24 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: DemforBush

?!?

Are you really claiming that all of Bach’s, or Brahms’ works were religious?

Are you really going to claim that?


34 posted on 03/22/2010 5:31:00 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

No no, of course not. I was just making a snarky comment about the judge’s ruling by pointing out that a number of famous classical pieces have religious origins/themes.

Not one of my best jabs at the left, I’ll admit. This whole Obama destroying the country thing has me off my game a bit. :-)


35 posted on 03/22/2010 5:42:46 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: DemforBush

Whew.

Personally, I think this graduate should play Mozart’s Requiem (for our nation) at her graduation.

It’d be a nice double-whammy against the Court ruling... and a protest against the direction the Obamanation is taking us.


36 posted on 03/22/2010 5:53:46 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: OldDeckHand; SpareChange
Epic Fail.

The State of Washington clearly lacks members of the bar who are conservative and have any familiarity with classical music.

There is no "instrumental version" of Ave Maria.

The music is Ellens dritter Gesang III (Ellen's Third Song) composed by Franz Schubert in 1825 as a setting of a song from Walter Scott's epic poem, The Lady of the Lake.

Kathryn Nurre should have asked to been placed on the graduation program in 2006 to perform Schubert's Ellens dritter Gesang III. Her attorney should have been primed to capture the evidence when school officials demonstrated their cultural ignorance and religious bias by objecting to the performance.

I am certain that Miss Nurre would have been a superb witness and made a compelling case on the stand proving the severe emotional distress imposed by the manifestly ignorant, malicious, and incompetent school administrators.

Any attorney who did not simply send away two box tops and $0.50 for his or her law degree should have been able to make each and every school administrator who acted or complained about Schubert's masterpiece as so ably performed by Miss Nurre, unemployed and unemployable; after seizing all of their assets on behalf of Miss Nurre (while keeping at least one-third for their own efforts.)

If said attorney was at all competent, the school officials could probably have been made to function as a private network of ATMs on behalf of Miss Nurre for the rest of their lives.

When your enemies insist on seizing and holding the ground in a "kill box," I've never understood the charm of just lobbing in a few rounds of Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition (DPICM). Instead, start with the thermonuclear rounds and escalate from there. The results are much more satisfying and effective.

The failure mechanism is likely to be related to that in Durham, NC in 2006 of at least one competent attorney to reduce Mike Nifong, President Brodhead and the Gang of 88 from Duke University to the equivalent of a lifetime of indentured financial servitude to the Evans, Seligmen, and Finnerty families.

Conservatives never fail to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to bring real hope and change to our liberal brethren while at the same time providing them a valuable and lasting lesson in truth and reality. We must do better in the future.

37 posted on 03/22/2010 6:45:24 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: gogogodzilla; OldDeckHand; DemforBush
(Make sure your speakers are on...)

Not all of Bach's music was decidedly spiritual, but how about this guitar piece? I'll bet you don't know the lyrics...

Or -- just Because Elvis put slightly raunchy words to this, was the music itself degraded?

Music and lyrics are totally independent of each other. Insisting that a melody can convey only one set of words is asinine!

What about our National Anthem? The music was originally a drinking song!!!

That ACLU-type, (half-Religion Clause) ruing is absurd on its face; the lawyers who argued for the girl's side should be disbarred for gross incompetence!

38 posted on 03/22/2010 6:47:21 PM PDT by TXnMA (D'Aleo re Hansen's "GISS" temperature database: "Non Gradus Anus Rodentum!")
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
This might pique your interest...

(This Internet thingy can be kinda cool...) '-)

39 posted on 03/22/2010 6:53:45 PM PDT by TXnMA (D'Aleo re Hansen's "GISS" temperature database: "Non Gradus Anus Rodentum!")
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To: TXnMA

Thanks for the ping, dear brother in Christ!


40 posted on 03/22/2010 11:23:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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