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Police ticket man who wore gun in store.Visible handgun alarmed someone, police say
The Columbian ^ | March 19, 2010 | John Branton

Posted on 03/20/2010 11:45:22 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine

A man who was seen in a Vancouver supermarket with a handgun visible in a holster — prompting a call to 911 on Friday — was ticketed and released with a court date, police said.

Shortly after 4 p.m., officers were sent to the Albertsons store at 5000 E. Fourth Plain Blvd., said Sgt. Greg Raquer with the Vancouver Police Department.

When officers approached the man who wore the gun he was cooperative. The loaded gun’s holster had two ammo magazines attached to it, said Officer Ilia Botvinnik.

Officers explained the law to the man, gave him a ticket for alleged unlawful carrying of a weapon and released him.

Under the law, Raquer said, a person can be ticketed if his display of a gun alarms people.

“I guess you could liken it to people yelling ‘Fire!’ in a movie theater,” Raquer said. “People get alarmed.”

He added, “Most responsible people don’t display their firearm in public.”

Had the man worn a coat, no one would have noticed the gun, Raquer said.

In that event, however, the gun would have been considered concealed, which is illegal unless the person had a concealed weapons permit, Botvinnik said.

The man in Albertsons did have a concealed weapons permit, although it doesn’t apply to open carrying, Botvinnik said.

Raquer declined to release the man’s name, saying the police report hadn’t been completed.

Vancouver police have had several such calls recently.

The state law that applies to the Albertsons case is RCW 9.41.270, Botvinnik said.

That law says: “It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.”

The text of the entire law, including exceptions such as carrying a firearm in your own home or place of business, can be read at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270

John Branton: 360-735-4513 or john.branton@columbian.com.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; gunrights; opencarry; police; washington
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Vancouver, WA ping.


41 posted on 03/20/2010 12:36:14 PM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

What kind of officer spews out this garbage???

Your joking right? You still under the illusion that the Police work for you?


42 posted on 03/20/2010 12:38:13 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Had you read the entire article, you would have realized it is in the United States, as Vancouver is in WA state.


43 posted on 03/20/2010 12:40:28 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: devane617

I do not live in this neighborhood and if you had read the article, or went to the link you would have realized it was in the United States. Please do not “blame” me for your laziness.


44 posted on 03/20/2010 12:43:03 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

I wonder how “comfortable” he’d feel if someone came in to rob the store and the guy with the weapon foiled the crime!


45 posted on 03/20/2010 12:45:18 PM PDT by Obama_h8tr ("if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby...")
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To: glock rocks

Bump


46 posted on 03/20/2010 12:46:48 PM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

That’s why some states require CCW. People can be frightened at the site of a gun on a civilian stranger and that can be considered assault.


47 posted on 03/20/2010 12:49:58 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: DariusBane

Yes I still like to believe this, I know hope springs eternal.


48 posted on 03/20/2010 12:51:35 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

This is, of course, utterly absurd. Welcome to Canada. Thirty five years ago I drove to Toronto with some friends. We were stopped by a cop who told me I MUST wear my seat belt. I’ve never been back.


49 posted on 03/20/2010 12:52:52 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: bgill

Was the store robbed while the dude was there? No? Then the store should be thankful by what he might have deterred.


Hm i have to disagree. Open carry law or not but a fact is
many people will feel uncomfortable if someone they don´t know in personal does open carry in a store. (So who knows
how many people may have left the store because of that).
So it could have been bad for business of the store owner.


50 posted on 03/20/2010 12:55:20 PM PDT by darkside321
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To: Oldpuppymax

This is NOT Canada. It is in the United States, in WA State.


51 posted on 03/20/2010 1:01:00 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Oldpuppymax

This is BS. And it’s NOT Canada. It’s Washington.


52 posted on 03/20/2010 1:01:44 PM PDT by john in springfield
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
That law says: “It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.”

Sounds like he's innocent. Just cause there's a wussy little hoplophobe in the room who gets his very, very pretty lace panties in a bunch, doesn't mean you're in violation. The law requires either "intent to intimidate" or "warranted" alarm, neither of which seems to have been present.

53 posted on 03/20/2010 1:05:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Vancouver, BC, or Vancouver, Wash?


54 posted on 03/20/2010 1:06:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
What kind of officer spews out this garbage???

A good little comrade

55 posted on 03/20/2010 1:09:13 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: mlocher

Canada doesn’t have Albertsons or legal handguns.


56 posted on 03/20/2010 1:10:53 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: mvpel

Good God!


57 posted on 03/20/2010 1:11:25 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: darkside321
many people will feel uncomfortable if someone they don´t know in personal does open carry in a store

When I read stuff like this it only reminds me how far we have to go.

58 posted on 03/20/2010 1:11:34 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Lady Jag

“That’s why some states require CCW. People can be frightened at the site of a gun on a civilian stranger and that can be considered assault.”

I think you forgot the /S sarcasm tag.


59 posted on 03/20/2010 1:12:35 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
"He added, 'Most responsible people don’t display their firearm in public.'"

"In that event, however, the gun would have been considered concealed, which is illegal unless the person had a concealed weapons permit, Botvinnik said."

Support "shall issue" concealed carry, so rich chickens and local favorites can have their firearms registered and kill popular political support for carrying at all.

Too many people are politically correct and easily spooked by healthy men.


60 posted on 03/20/2010 1:17:00 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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