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Barack Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen!
Fight The Smears ^ | 03/18/2010 | Polarik

Posted on 03/18/2010 12:24:55 PM PDT by Polarik

From Barack Obama's own website, Fight the Smears, a statement as to his citizenship status embodied in the masthead and email to forward:



The fact is Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a

NATIVE CITIZEN

of the United States of America.

Definition of "native-born" or native citizen" (from Wikipedia)

Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”

The grandfather provision of the "natural born Citizen" clause provides an exception to the "natural born" requirement for those persons who were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. Most of these citizens had been born as British subjects before the American Revolution (or were born after the Revolution, but before 1787). Without this exception, ten subsequent presidents would have been constitutionally ineligible to serve.[1]

Additionally, the Twelfth Amendment states that: "[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

The Fourteenth Amendment, adopted in 1868, defines a "Citizen" of the United States, but not a "natural born Citizen." Its Citizenship Clause provides that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."



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To: spookie

Read it, look at it and weep.
“Obama’s Boyhood Homes Drawing Gawkers”
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/Obama%5C-s-Hawaii-boyhood-homes-drawing-gawkers

Sister Maya’s Certification of Live Birth says in big bold letters “OUT OF STATE BIRTH.” Barack Obama’s COLB says place of birth: City of Honolulu, County of Honolulu, Island of Oahu, Hawaii.


61 posted on 03/18/2010 7:24:55 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Diplomats with immunity aren’t subject to our jurisdiction. That’s why some have committed murder in this country and only been expelled.


62 posted on 03/18/2010 7:25:00 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Polarik

Hey there!! Welcome back!!! Maybe the SP’s will congregate all in one place and not spill over to other threads?


63 posted on 03/18/2010 7:26:50 PM PDT by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: jamese777

“The only terms that appear in the US Code are “Nationals and US Citizens at birth.””

Correct. Natural born citizen is the only type of citizenship for which there is no legal statute. It needs none because it is natural law.

A child born in the U.S. to U.S. citizens is unquestionably a U.S. citizen and a ‘Natural Born Citizen’.

All types of U.S. citizenship have equal rights before the law courts: but there is no “right” to be President. To be eligible to serve as President a person must meet the eligibility requirements as laid out in the U.S.Constitution.

Only a natural born citizen of the U.S. in eligible to serve as President.


64 posted on 03/18/2010 8:11:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
That clause has generally been interpreted to apply only to diplomats present in this country representing their countries, with diplomatic immunity and therefore not subject to this country's jurisdiction, and of course their children.

Thanks. You just agreed with what I wrote, although you're not fully accurate here.

All others born in USA have been considered to be citizens by birth despite their parents' status.

No, that's not entirely true on two counts ... there are some other exceptions to native-born through the 14th amendment and parents' status was considered by the SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark. Regardless, it's only good for citizenship, not natural born citizenship ... unless the parents are citizens.

You may argue that it should be interpreted otherwise, and perhaps you're right, but them's the facts.

You haven't shown it be interpreted any differently than what I've said.

65 posted on 03/18/2010 8:15:20 PM PDT by edge919
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To: jamese777

I don’t see anything about Maya’s COLB in your link. What exactly are you talking about??


66 posted on 03/18/2010 8:17:45 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919
there are some other exceptions to native-born through the 14th amendment and parents' status was considered by the SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark. Regardless, it's only good for citizenship, not natural born citizenship ... unless the parents are citizens.

Considered and rejected. Mr. Wong's parents were not only aliens, as Chinese they were incapable of becoming naturalized citizens under our racist laws of the time.

Nevertheless the court decided Mr. Wong was a US citizen by birth.

This is despite a dissent claiming that the ruling would open the possibility of a coolie becoming president.

The courts have been quite clear that citizenship is now primarily determined by location of the birth, not by parentage.

See post 59.

67 posted on 03/18/2010 8:42:07 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Nevertheless the court decided Mr. Wong was a US citizen by birth.

Right, just not a natural born citizen. Even modern courts admit this, such as in the Ankeny decision.

See post 59.

Nothing in post 59 says anything about natural born citizenship. You're confusing "at birth" citizenship with natural born, but it's not the same thing.

68 posted on 03/18/2010 8:47:04 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

I’m no expert on the issue, but according to this story the Ankeny decision agrees with me.

http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2009/11/ind_decisions_r_34.html


69 posted on 03/18/2010 8:57:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: arthurus
Does the news paper have ? or does not have Obama Jr's name in it ? or just a announcement that a son was born to ANN and Obama SR ?
70 posted on 03/18/2010 8:59:18 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: edge919
You're confusing "at birth" citizenship with natural born, but it's not the same thing.

This is your contention. It is not a fact of law.

If you are aware of any relevant (post 14th Amendment) ruling by a federal court making such a distinction, I'd be glad to see it.

71 posted on 03/18/2010 9:02:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Polarik

Welcome back.

I thought you gave up Free Republic?


72 posted on 03/18/2010 11:11:10 PM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Does the news paper have, or does not have, Obama Jr’s name in it ?

or is it just a announcement that a son was born to ANN and Obama SR ?


Does the newspaper say where he was born?

Country? County?

Hospital?

Name of child would be normal, as would all the above, don’t you think?

BTW

Have you ever even seen a marriage certificate for the parents -— not a divorce with a page missing but a real bonafide marriage certificate ????????

Why is the marriage certificate missing from the files in Hawaii?

Since Mr Obama is a public citizen, not a private one, why can’t Hawaii release all his documents since Hawaiian law provides for release if in the public interest, as it clearly is .....???

How many other questions can be vexatiously asked?

Why must we ask these simple basic questions?

Why must we be attacked and insulted for politely asking to look at an original BC on a piece of paper not an online scan?

Who the hell offers a scan when documentation is requested? Who? Did you ever hear of it before?

Can u say that to the Passport office??? Little league??? When applying for a job?

Who ever heard of such a ridiculous thing...?

and the Libtard responses are laughable: “he’s too busy” or “he offered a scan” or “he’s the President”

Huh?

Weird just weird.


73 posted on 03/19/2010 4:01:54 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Sherman Logan

There are a number of sources that verify and define the differences between natural born citizen, native born citizen, naturalized citizen and however ‘..citizen..’ is used. The crux of this matter is a court determination as to which ‘..citizen..’ applies to the specific case. I believe Article II is explicit as to which ‘..citizen..’ is mandated.
Thinking about this as an ordinary person, I don’t need a court to tell me 2x2=4. I might need a court to determine if/how 2x2=4 applies in a dispute


74 posted on 03/19/2010 5:47:23 AM PDT by noinfringers
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To: Sherman Logan

There are a number of sources that verify and define the differences between natural born citizen, native born citizen, naturalized citizen and however ‘..citizen..’ is used. The crux of this matter is a court determination as to which ‘..citizen..’ applies to the specific case. I believe Article II is explicit as to which ‘..citizen..’ is mandated.
Thinking about this as an ordinary person, I don’t need a court to tell me 2x2=4. I might need a court to determine if/how 2x2=4 applies in a dispute


75 posted on 03/19/2010 5:48:36 AM PDT by noinfringers
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To: Sherman Logan

There are a number of sources that verify and define the differences between natural born citizen, native born citizen, naturalized citizen and however ‘..citizen..’ is used. The crux of this matter is a court determination as to which ‘..citizen..’ applies to the specific case. I believe Article II is explicit as to which ‘..citizen..’ is mandated.
Thinking about this as an ordinary person, I don’t need a court to tell me 2x2=4. I might need a court to determine if/how 2x2=4 applies in a dispute


76 posted on 03/19/2010 5:50:16 AM PDT by noinfringers
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To: Paratrooper
And now you feel a need to post about Obama’s Birth Certificate the same week as the most important debate is about Health care. Who’s pulling your strings?

Just checked through the list of currently active threads, and there are actually quite a few that have nothing to do with the Soetorocare debate. There's a pit bull thread, a few religion threads, couple of Apple threads, a John McCain thread, a fighter jet thread, and a glow-in-the-dark sperm thread.

Aren't you worried about who's pulling THOSE posters' strings?

77 posted on 03/19/2010 6:06:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m no expert on the issue, but according to this story the Ankeny decision agrees with me.

The Ankeny decision was about whether to grant an appeal to overturn a motiion to dismiss. They never actually held a trial, plus the court's basis for its conclusion was contradictory ...

"...the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” ...

IOW, you can't conclude Obama is a natural born citizen on the basis of the Wong Kim Ark decision, when that court did not set a precedent of declaring anyone a natural born citizen.

78 posted on 03/19/2010 7:02:05 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Sherman Logan
This is your contention. It is not a fact of law.

The definition of natural born citizen is extraconstitutional. It CAN'T be defined by law. Minor v. Happersett (AFTER the 14th amendment) explained ..

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

This precedent is ALSO cited in Wong Kim Ark ...

"In Minor v. Happersett, Chief Justice Waite, when construing, in behalf of the court, the very provision of the Fourteenth Amendment now in question, said: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that." And he proceeded to resort to the common law as an aid in the construction of this provision."

79 posted on 03/19/2010 7:08:11 AM PDT by edge919
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To: spookie

“His half sister Maya born in Indonesia in 1970 also has a Hawaiian certificate of birth.”

Do you happen to have a link for this? Has anyone dug up a copy of Maya’s COLB or actual BC?


80 posted on 03/19/2010 7:31:31 AM PDT by May31st
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