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If bill fails, Pelosi has strategic alternative
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/17/10 | Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Posted on 03/17/2010 7:36:24 AM PDT by SmithL

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday traded fire with Republicans over a procedural rule that would allow House members to pass sweeping health care changes without a direct up-or-down vote on the Senate-passed version of the legislation.

Republicans are riveting their fire on the maneuver - which could marry Senate health care legislation that some of her members don't like with "fixes" that they do - as possibly their last chance to stop the nearly $1 trillion, 10-year plan as it nears a make-or-break vote as soon as this weekend.

The vote promises to be extremely close, and Pelosi has made clear that it will be a decisive test of party loyalty for all Democrats.

"We will do what is necessary to pass a bill," the San Francisco Democrat said at a news conference with advocates for the elderly.

Waving a sheaf of papers that she said she got from a friend in San Francisco who was in the Johnson administration when Medicare was passed in 1965, she said the vote tallies then showed how Republicans tried to kill Medicare on a procedural motion and succeeded at one point.

Democratic leaders "then went through the sheets with the names of the members and all the rest," she said, and "ended up with a victory at the end."

The Senate has passed the underlying legislation, and if Pelosi can corral 216 votes to pass that same legislation in the House, it would go to President Obama for his signature and become the law of the land.

If she can't get the 216 votes, Democrats will have to decide whether to use the controversial rule, which Pelosi said would "deem" the Senate bill passed when the House approves the changes it wants.

Identical bills needed

Under the Constitution, both chambers must pass identical bills.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2010; cultureofcorruption; deem; deeming; deemingrule; deemocrats; democrats; donttreadonme; elections; healthcare; liberalfascism; medicare; medicare1965vote; obamacare; pelosi; rapeofliberty; reconciliation; socialisthealthcare; tyranny; unconstitutional
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To: Matchett-PI

Call these so-called “moderate” Democrats who were called to the White House to be pressured to vote YES, and tell them that any vote for ObamaCare will cost them their jobs:

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I found yesterday, just as an FYI to everyone, that while the main switchboards and the Washington phone numbers for these folks were busy, their local offices were not as overwhelmed. I got through within 1 or 2 tries to every single person by googling them and clicking on office locations. That’s where I’d try first ~ it has the same effect as those local offices sure as heck are reporting via email to the DC offices!


21 posted on 03/17/2010 7:57:52 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: leapfrog0202

Thanks! bttt


22 posted on 03/17/2010 8:00:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: SmithL

They are going to push too far, enter the realm of anti democratic, totalitarian behavior, and then reap the whirlwind accordingly. How foolish of the not to see it coming. The American People are good, by and large, but when shoved, they lose patience and very quickly. Ask the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor if they felt they got away with anything in the long run. This Pelosi individual is sorely misjudging the American People in my book. Sad, almost embarrassing for her.


23 posted on 03/17/2010 8:02:04 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (So help me we are SO going to knock the living snot out of these SOCIALISTS, they will beg for mercy)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Process isn't everything, it's the only thing. Every human life has the same beginning and leads to the same end. We are all traveling the same road. How we do it matters above all else. The Democrat leadership is desperate and stupid. This is a toxic combination. With every word out of their mouths they are digging a deeper grave for themselves.
24 posted on 03/17/2010 8:02:19 AM PDT by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
My head is going to explode soon. This nightmare has to end. Is there anyway this bill will actually be defeated and stopped? Please G-d, help us stop this takeover of America. I have a headache.....

I'm with you honey!! I also have indigestion, insomnia, and .... when I turn on the TV - high blood pressure!!! I'm gonna NEED health care if this doesn't end soon....

BUT I am NOT giving up.... I think of our forefathers, our current brave soldiers, - if they can keep going when they have such awful circumstances - surely I can sit at my kitchen table and phone, phone, phone.... e-mail.... phone some more!!

25 posted on 03/17/2010 8:03:47 AM PDT by Momto2 ("A sharp tongue is the only edge tool that grows keener with constant use" Irving - Rip Van Winkle)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Election result -- Franken loses -- Democrats demand recount.
Recount #1 -- Franken loses -- Democrats demand recount.
Recount #2 -- Franken loses -- Democrats demand recount.
Recount #3 -- Franken loses -- Democrats demand recount.
Recount #4 -- Franken wins.

That is why, IMO, Tim Pawlenty is a RINO.

26 posted on 03/17/2010 8:04:36 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: SmithL

27 posted on 03/17/2010 8:08:25 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem)
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To: Country Eagle
And if they pass the bill by any means what will we do then?

A *Very Serious* Warning To Nancy Pelosi

28 posted on 03/17/2010 8:10:16 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem)
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To: SmithL

Carolyn Lochhead -

She graduated from UC Berkeley with majors in rhetoric and economics, and then Columbia University in journalism.


29 posted on 03/17/2010 8:16:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Paine in the Neck; mcmuffin; MinuteGal; seekthetruth; Brytani; surfer; Rafterman; Bob Ireland; ...
Bears repeating!


30 posted on 03/17/2010 8:17:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: SmithL
This is not going to be as easy as it looks. Something no one has been discussing is that, even if they use the Slaughter approach, both the House and Senate would need to pass identical (fixing) bills to get the desired bill to the President's desk.

Two issues there. First, I don't see how these two can agree, even if they only need a majority in the Senate. Some major differences remain and it is not sure if Reid can get 51 on any one version. Barely got 60 first time under their terms and with all the special deals.

Second, the GOP can make two arguments. First, is that the new bill isn't reconciliation of the original bill, but an entirely new bill which cloture would apply (and need 60 votes to move along). Second, the GOP can challenge anything in the new bill that isn't budget in nature. That is a lot of the new bill.

Although I fell they will hijack this somehow, there are still tools in the arsenal.

31 posted on 03/17/2010 8:24:40 AM PDT by dan on the right
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To: SmithL

If the bill fails now, they can always vote on it in December after they lose Congress and don’t care any more.


32 posted on 03/17/2010 8:29:47 AM PDT by Defiant (We are in a battle to the death between Karl and George. I will stand and fight for George.)
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To: rintense

Betting on a long odds horse there...


33 posted on 03/17/2010 8:32:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: LibFreeUSA

lest you forget that the pubbies usually act like Les Nessman when in an alley against a Hells Angels chapter...


34 posted on 03/17/2010 9:00:28 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: SMM48
Democratic leaders "then went through the sheets with the names of the members and all the rest," she said, and "ended up with a victory at the end."

It sounds like the talking point for today is, once we have the names of those voting no, we can make them change their vote.

35 posted on 03/17/2010 9:28:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Matchett-PI
If the 'rats force this health care bill thru on procedural grounds it will mark the beginning of tyranny... The 'rats have a long history of successfully abridging the Constitution and breaking the rules. That success has emboldened them now to make the ultimate move.

Once this passes, the Stalinist machine on the Left will do everything possible to insure that it remains in effect. I cannot even imagine what it will take to return to liberty and freedom.

But make no mistake: this will come to pass with the consent of the people thru apathy and laziness. Conversely, it will be defeated with great effort and prosperity.

36 posted on 03/17/2010 9:37:33 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: SmithL
If bill fails, Pelosi has strategic alternative

Since when is "treason" a strategic alternative?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

37 posted on 03/17/2010 9:53:41 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Sad when you can’t even rely on the SCOTUS to uphold the Constitution.


38 posted on 03/17/2010 10:01:11 AM PDT by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Nancy said “Waving a sheaf of papers that she said she got from a friend in San Francisco who was in the Johnson administration when Medicare was passed in 1965, she said the vote tallies then showed how Republicans tried to kill Medicare on a procedural motion and succeeded at one point.”

Too bad people don’t do a little research.

88th Congress make-up
Senate 68 Dem - 32 Rep
House 295 Dem - 140 Rep
Even greater lead than now, so both houses were veto proof and any problems were on the Dims.


39 posted on 03/17/2010 10:07:40 AM PDT by DakoKid ( Every Dollar of Taxation is a Dollar of Lost Freedom)
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To: rintense
Roe. Kelo. McCain-Feingold.

Constitution? "It's just a goddamn piece of paper..."

40 posted on 03/17/2010 10:49:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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