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This is the sickest thing I've ever seen come out of the EPA.

This is a Marxist Coup folks. If you are not actively fighting this...then you better start now.

1 posted on 03/11/2010 4:47:41 PM PST by I got the rope
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"Already the hour is late. Government has laid its hand on health, housing, farming, industry, commerce, education, and to an ever-increasing degree interferes with the people's right to know. ... We approach the point of no return when government becomes so huge and entrenched that we fear the consequences of upheaval and just go along with it."

— Ronald Reagan

2 posted on 03/11/2010 4:57:08 PM PST by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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The blue states will probably try to use this to get extra federal funding to clean up what doesn't need to be cleaned up. Another way to scam the tax payer through stimulus funding.

I wonder if they rushed to get a ruling on this before they tryed to pass the "Cap and trade" crap or what ever it is called now "the clean air act".

3 posted on 03/11/2010 5:00:06 PM PST by ReformedBeckite
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This is pure unadulterated steaming male bovine excrement. The ocean acts as a CO2 sink because of phytoplankton. These organisms account for more synthesis of CO2 into O2 than all land-based plants put together.


4 posted on 03/11/2010 5:00:38 PM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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the feds ALLOW the states to do things?


5 posted on 03/11/2010 5:01:43 PM PST by plain talk
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We’re past the point of being law abiding citizens. F them all, all their rules and regulations. Come and get me.


6 posted on 03/11/2010 5:01:47 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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The problem stems from oceans absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere

Global warming will take care of that.

The University of Junk Science certainly gets around.

The Center for Biological Diversity. What a Leftest name. The only thing more left would be The Center for Biological Peace and Justice.

There is nothing wrong with our oceans. Even if there were a higher level of CO2 the oceans could only absorb a trace amount. CO2 isn't very soluble in water. When forced into solution it forces back.


7 posted on 03/11/2010 5:14:29 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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The frauds at the EPA have got to go. They can take the U.N. frauds with them.


8 posted on 03/11/2010 5:18:59 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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>settled a lawsuit filed last year by the Center for Biological Diversity in San Francisco.

If Iran or some other worthless muzzy gets a nuke and uses it on these leftist waste of human flesh in SF I
will not weep. They and this America destroying pack of
trash in DC have got to be stopped.


10 posted on 03/11/2010 5:25:52 PM PST by soycd
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NOTE TO EPA: We the People, as members of the several States, confer rights to you, not the other way around.


13 posted on 03/11/2010 5:39:29 PM PST by matt1234
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Gee, I wonder if they ever stopped for one nanosecond to consider that much of the sand in the ocean and many of the creatures shells are made of Calcium Carbonate.

So they are telling us CO2 is going to turn the entire ocean into a giant bubbling cauldron?

IDIOTS!


15 posted on 03/11/2010 5:58:50 PM PST by Clay Moore (Roaches, predators, and thieves typically work under the cover of darkness. So it is with congress.)
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There are about 342543511 cubic miles of water in the oceans (think of a cube 700 miles along each edge!). I’m impressed if we can change the pH enough to matter - considering that we have about 60,000,000,000 gallons per person.


20 posted on 03/11/2010 6:39:40 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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24 posted on 03/11/2010 7:58:41 PM PST by seawolf101
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The Real Ocean Acidification Story
Volume 13, Number 9: March 3, 2010

In the most comprehensive analysis ever conducted of experimental studies that have explored the effects of rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations on marine biota, Hendriks et al. (2010) assembled a database of 372 experimentally-evaluated responses of 44 different marine species to ocean acidification that was induced by equilibrating seawater with CO2-enriched air. This they did because, as they describe it, "warnings that ocean acidification is a major threat to marine biodiversity are largely based on the analysis of predicted changes in ocean chemical fields," which are derived from theoretical models that do not account for numerous biological phenomena and have only "limited experimental support."

Of the published reports they scrutinized, only 154 assessed the significance of responses relative to controls; and of those reports, 47 reported no significant response, so that "only a minority of studies," in their words, demonstrated "significant responses to acidification." And when the results of that minority group of studies were pooled, there was no significant mean effect. Nevertheless, the three researchers found that some types of organisms and certain functional processes did exhibit significant responses to seawater acidification. However, since their analyses to this point had included some acidification treatments that were extremely high, they repeated their analyses for only those acidification conditions that were induced by atmospheric CO2 concentrations of 2000 ppm or less, which latter limiting concentration had been predicted to occur around the year 2300 by Caldeira and Wickett (2003).

In this second analysis, Hendriks et al. once again found that the overall response, including all biological processes and functional groups, was not significantly different from that of the various control treatments, although calcification was reduced by 33 +/- 4.5% and fertility by 11 +/- 3.5% across groups, while survival and growth showed no significant overall responses. And when the upper limiting CO2 concentrations were in the range of 731-759 ppm, or just below the value predicted by the IPCC (2007) for the end of the 21st century (790 ppm) -- calcification rate reductions of only 25% were observed. What is more, the three researchers say that this decline "is likely to be an upper limit, considering that all experiments involve the abrupt exposure of organisms to elevated pCO2 values, while the gradual increase in pCO2 that is occurring in nature may allow adaptive and selective processes to operate," citing the work of Widdicombe et al. (2008) and noting that "these gradual changes take place on the scale of decades, permitting adaptation of organisms even including genetic selection."

Yet even this mitigating factor is not the end of the good news, for Hendriks et al. write that "most experiments assessed organisms in isolation, rather than [within] whole communities," and they say that the responses of other entities and processes within the community may well buffer the negative impacts of CO2-indced acidification on earth's corals. As an example, they note that "sea-grass photosynthetic rates may increase by 50% with increased CO2, which may deplete the CO2 pool, maintaining an elevated pH that may protect associated calcifying organisms from the impacts of ocean acidification."

In describing another phenomenon that benefits corals, the researchers write that "seasonal changes in pCO2 are in the range of 236-517 ppm in the waters of the northern East China Sea (Shim et al., 2007)," and that "metabolically-active coastal ecosystems experience broad diel changes in pH, such as the diel changes of >0.5 pH units reported for sea grass ecosystems (Invers et al., 1997)," which they say represent "a broader range than that expected to result from ocean acidification expected during the 21st century." And they remark that these fluctuations also "offer opportunities for adaptation to the organisms involved."

Hendriks et al. additionally state that the models upon which the ocean acidification threat is based "focus on bulk water chemistry and fall short

http://www.co2science.org/subject/o/oceanacidification.php

29 posted on 03/11/2010 8:17:30 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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IMO the whole “ocean acidification” terminology is intentional scare mongering.

In actual fact the oceans are still quite basic and even the scare mongerers admit they will remain basic. Since the pH of the ocean remains on the basic side, it is inaccurate to refer to it as acidificaton.

The “adicification” they talk about, if it is occurring, which is debatable, is a slight decrease in the pH, bringing it a little closer to neutral. It would have to go past neutral to become acidic.

But acidification sounds so much more scary than “becoming slightly less basic.”


31 posted on 03/11/2010 8:26:28 PM PST by Sherman Logan ( .)
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This group needs to be banned, broken, or whatever mechanism would “allow” them to know longer exist!! They will ALLOW the states.................indeed!


34 posted on 03/11/2010 8:41:47 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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A new outrage from this administration every single day.


37 posted on 03/11/2010 9:05:50 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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I dont suppose that this could have anything to do with municipalities dumping billions of gallons daily of partially treated sewage into the ocean along the west coast. The sewage is treated with acid to cut bacteria


38 posted on 03/11/2010 10:45:07 PM PST by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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how long can this terrorist group, epa, be allowed to breath our air?


39 posted on 03/12/2010 1:57:19 AM PST by SF_Redux
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Lubchenko from NOAA was parading this tripe before Congress a few months ago. She had demonstrations with vinegar, dry ice, sea water, etc. that left the Congresscritters positively agog.

I’ll see if I can find the videos of the hearing.


41 posted on 03/12/2010 4:10:47 AM PST by Roccus (Hawaii Hall of Records safe from tsunami......Obama saddened.)
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Here ya go. It takes a bit to load, then scroll down to Lubchenko’s “demonstration.”

http://globalwarming.house.gov/pubs?id=0014#main_content

Her claims are totally outrageous.


42 posted on 03/12/2010 4:23:40 AM PST by Roccus (Hawaii Hall of Records safe from tsunami......Obama saddened.)
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