Posted on 03/08/2010 1:15:09 PM PST by TaraP
Conservative opponents of the Obama administration are urging supporters to resist the upcoming US census, saying it asks too many questions and reflects increasing government intrusion into private matters.
The census, held every 10 years since 1790, is becoming a focal point for the growing anti-government movement in the US.
The government will endeavour to count every person living in the US, regardless of legal, immigration or citizenship status. The count, which helps determine political representation and the distribution of hundreds of billions of dollars in government funds, is mandated by the constitution.
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, a virulently conservative, anti-Obama Republican from Minnesota, has urged supporters to give only the number of people living in their household, saying nothing more is required by the constitution. Participation in the census is required by law and to refuse, or to falsify information, is punishable by fines that can range from $100 up to $500 (about £60 to £300), although the law is rarely enforced.
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You’re lying. I never said a thing supportive of nor advocated capitulating to government or completing the form in its entirety. I have stated several times on this thread that the best thing to do (and is what we will be doing) is answering only the household headcount information.
The more silly or snide or cocky answers and remarks you guys put on there, the more ammo you give them against you. In the alternative, you could just go to the census office and wave a red flag in their faces.
There’s a reason why lawyers tell their clients not to talk and not volunteer anything, and that reason is that the more you say, the more you reveal inconsistencies and weaknesses in your position. We have the right to remain silent, and shutting up when it comes to the “authorities” is ALWAYS the best course. Let them hurl THEIR best case at you BEFORE you reveal what your best case against them is. Just answering their questions at all may indicate that you acknowledge they have the right to ask them. If your point is that they don’t have that right, then DON’T ANSWER AT ALL. Don’t be cute, cocky, trite, silly or anything. Just SHUTUP as to any questions not authorized by the constitution. If they try to prosecute or harass people to get more information out of them, they have no clue as to what your argument would be, who you are, how smart (or stupid) you are, what your political beliefs are (there are also lefties who find the form intrusive - it’s not just us) if you haven’t revealed any of that through silly answers or big, blowhard statements about rights and so on. Since we know this administration has usurped and taken control of the census process itself and have a bunch of thug types handling it, we know they’ll be gunning for conservatives. Don’t paint a damned target on your forehead.
Let the f)@}&!$ pound sand.
See post #161 for reply.
Wow!
I think the gubmint census bureau will be looking at tens of millions of surveys from conservatives & libertarians who will answer or not answer in a variety of ways.
Who died & appointed you the Supreme Being to declare how FReepers should choose to fill out their surveys if they want to register a protest in their own way?
Quite honestly you're starting to piss me off with your arrogance & attitude, and your starting to delve into flaming because others disagree with you. In fact I'm starting to thing you're a troll newbie, sign-up Dec 17, 2009, since you're railing on people who just want to register a protest or answer in their own way.
Let it die!
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Wow! I offered opinion - not a command. Each person can do as they please...
I would suggest a bit Prozac for one so ‘up tight’ as they use to say.
I think that’s what I said as well...
Anyway, I've already explained why it matters. You're either too dumb to get it or you get it but refuse to admit you're wrong. I guess Congresswoman Michelle Bachman is wrong, too. Maybe you should go argue your intentions with her. I'm sure you'll impress her as being a real ‘rocket surgeon’. (rolleyes)
Go read the “Art of War” by Sun Tzu. Choose your battles wisely. Avoid battles in which your opponent has the advantage. But if you want this psycho administration to open up a special prosecution unit for census protesters, by all means, antagonize them, draw attention to conservatives, and do all you can to typify a useful conservative idiot for media ridicule circulation. Give them plenty of fodder, like proving you don't know the difference between race and nationality. We really don't need to win this next election so it doesn't matter what the uninformed and independents think of the conservative movement and the candidates we support. /s
You guys are like a bunch of braggadocio little kids claiming you're going to just show everybody how tough you are and how you'll just damn well do as you like.
See #167.
Some of us are just expressing opinion ... and some of us don’t care who within the Obama Administration we upset in our attitude about the census.
You have an opposite opinion - seems - you wish that we just take anything the Obama Administration dishes out on the census - we should just comply - shut up and sit down.
Well - NO I won’t do that - that is my option in life and I will face whatever consequences arise...
I’m not understanding how you believe that what I do affects you and why you are so riled over it. You seem to be a bit mentally unbalanced.
FR has a lot of free expression of opinion without getting off the charts reactionary diatribe from people like you...
Chill out Chillrat.
Your rudeness even in your latest response..... arrogant, stupid people, jackass, too dumb, rocket surgeon, etc. The name calling has originated with your comments.
We're talking about filling out a frikkin survey here... whether you choose to not answer questions 2-10 or to answer them as N/A, will not matter to any Census worker who may call or visit to follow up. I think a follow up call or visit by the Census Bureau is a dead certainty more by not answering questions 2-10 rather than a bland N/A.
And Michelle Bachman is the greatest & is in my state of MN, but I know she would not get huffy & testy & hostile, as you are, by choosing to leave 2-10 blank or answering with N/A or putting American or some hyphenated response in #9.
And yes, when I see your angry response(s) & baiting remarks like this, plus your very recent enrollment in FR, I think you are a troll and are just here to stir up angry exchanges.
So drop it now! You've made all your comments that are necessary and we all understand your opinions on the matter.
Good comments... my sentiments exactly. See #170 posting.
Arrogant? Your little scolding rant here is pretty arrogant. Just because I think you’re looking for trouble and am trying to get you to use your head instead of your emotions, you flame me. Why you want to feed the beast is incomprehensible.
The fine for not answering all the questions (ALL the questions together, not each question not answered) is $100. The fine for EACH question answered falsely is $500. Nobody has been prosecuted for this since the 1960 census as near as I can confirm. But we never had zero for president and we never had Chicago-style thugs running the census nor have we ever had it taken over and privately micromanaged by a corrupt fascist president’s administration.
I’m actually not a newbie. I was a member from the late 90s into the early 2000s - about 4 years. But on that subject, being a member for 3, 8, or 12 years does not make one person any more right about a particular subject than somebody who joined five minutes ago. That is a complete fallacy. Membership here doesn’t mean you’re right or smart or have any critical thinking skills or are even a real conservative. It means you know how to type and navigate a simple forum site. Whoopy-do.
Twice you’ve commanded me to drop this, so your complaint about me telling people what to do about their forms, which mirrors Michelle Bachman’s position and is the subject of this thread, is hypocritical. If you want it to stop, then YOU stop.
Not answering vs answering N/A is not going to make a difference to the Census Bureau. Why would N/A or answerwing “American” constitute a false answer? You really are a troll & an arrogant a__hole! You’ve had flaming arguments with 4-5 others on this same thread, and you’ve been argumentative in every discussion with the others as well. Perhaps that’s why you used to be here and then dropped off. You’re back now Newbie, but go back to DUmmmie land or else drop the attitude.
More ad hominem attacks, I see. Ad hominem is the last bastion of refuge for someone with no valid argument.
You know very well that Michelle Bachman is right, which means that you know very well that I’m right, and you know very well that I’m not a troll. In fact, if anybody’s a troll, it’s you. YOU are the one promoting making an ass of those who label themselves “conservatives.”
As was told to you in post #169, "You are so riled over it. You seem to be a bit mentally unbalanced". I would suggest taking 2 asperin, signing off of FR for the day, and lie down for a nap.
I would suggest that you are the one who is riled up because I disagree with your brilliant “plan.” For some reason, you can’t accept the idea that someone else has thought through your nonsense. I’m not the slightest bit upset.
As for Bachman, we have her words to look at to determine what her opinion is. She was speaking to the public, not privately to her husband, mother or neighbor. She said what she said to the public, and that is to only answer question #1. You don’t know her and you don’t have any personal insight or mindreading capabilities to say she really meant something else or what she would say or think about giving silly or non-responsive answers to the questions just because it’s convenient for you right now to claim you know what she would say or think or argue over. In other words, you’re blowing smoke. I would also add, contrary to your claim of knowing what she’d say or think or argue about, that it’s very possible she’s already considered the same things I’ve explained to you about why it’s a dumb idea to respond to anything except #1 and that is how she arrived at her advice/urging to only answer #1. But I doubt that that obvious possibility has occurred to you.
You're presuming that you know the precise reasoning behind Michelle Bachmann's advice....
...that it’s very possible she’s already considered the same things I’ve explained to you about why it’s a dumb idea to respond to anything except #1 and that is how she arrived at her advice/urging to only answer #1
You've confirmed that precisely with her and you know that's how she arrived at her conclusion?
Yah right.
Just go back to DUmmieLand. Only a troll would keep this ridiculous thing going. You've made your points ad nauseum. Take your meds now and go to bed.
Still hiding under the cover of your faithful friend, ad hominem, I see.
Don’t twist what I said. You know darned well that I based my point on what Bachman ACTUALLY did and said, not what I IMAGINE she might say or what I CLAIM I think she might say. You’re the one who’s mentally unstable, or at least severely lacking in ordinary thinking skills. You have to make things up from your imagination to buttress your position. Ad hominem meets straw man.
If you really thought I was mentally unstable, you would have dropped out of this long ago. The truth is that you have no logical, rational response to the facts presented to you. It’s easier to gloss over them and call names, etc..
It takes two to tango. As long as you keep replying, especially with name-calling and insults, I’ll be answering.
You attacked & fought with everyone who disagreed with you on this thread. Go back to DUmmmie Land, newbie troll since Dec 2009.
You’re repeating yourself. Obviously it’s not working, which isn’t surprising. You’re like the queers and so forth who want to silence and defame anybody who disagrees with their position. They’re losers, too, just like you.
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