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Obama must abandon any logical argument in favor of an emotional argument to succeed in nationalizing Health Care and destroying the United States in the process. Nice David!
1 posted on 03/06/2010 3:04:24 PM PST by ricks_place
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The ground of debate shifts when a prominent figure says that a contentious topic is a matter of morality, not politics

Dream on!

2 posted on 03/06/2010 3:10:24 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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Now we have the Dems lecturing We the People on morals? They who stand for homosexuality and abortion? Really now...their chutzpah knows no bounds.


3 posted on 03/06/2010 3:13:53 PM PST by pray4liberty
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“A just society assures its citizens’ basic needs. It protects their “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,” irrespective of the circumstances they were born into. Citizenship in a great country should not be a DNA lottery, or a case of survival of the richest. A nation has a moral obligation to care for its people, and if it fails to do so, it is a lesser country.”


And tell me please which country has proven more morally compassionate to its peoples and the countries of other?


4 posted on 03/06/2010 3:14:10 PM PST by BornToBeAmerican (“If you think education is expensive try ignorance.”)
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This is about property rights. It always is. But most Americans are driven by emotions such as envy, hate, anger, rage, sadism. That’s why they vote for socialists like Ears and Mother Pelosi.


5 posted on 03/06/2010 3:14:59 PM PST by MichiganConservative (When in the course of ... events, it becomes necessary ... to dissolve the political bands which ...)
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“Citizenship in a great country should not be a DNA lottery”

As in an accidental birth of OBAMA?

A man whose origins and actual citizenship is by definition suspect, AND, who considers the US not great but one country like any other, AND who has disparaged Nevada and gambling more than once—thinks he can dictate terms?


6 posted on 03/06/2010 3:16:37 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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It protects their “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...".

Does this include those who would be murdered in the womb as a result of ObamaCare? If not, it's all a bunch of liberal bull****!

7 posted on 03/06/2010 3:17:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud American-American since 1949.)
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How Obama can shift the health-care debate

Well, Obama is shifty.

8 posted on 03/06/2010 3:17:44 PM PST by windsorknot (Obamacare: You're in Good Hands with All State)
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A just society does not steal from those who work to provide for those who don’t.


9 posted on 03/06/2010 3:17:58 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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[The ground of debate shifts when a prominent figure says that a contentious topic is a matter of morality, not politics.]

Al Gore began framing his global warming hysteria in those terms and immediately afterward the bottom began to drop out from under the “scientific consensus” claimed by the IPCC.

It seems to me, when some politician suddenly declares that their political agenda is a matter of morality, not politics, then it’s a clear sign that their agenda is really about how much power they can grab for themselves.


10 posted on 03/06/2010 3:18:24 PM PST by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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Everyone in this country already has healthcare.


11 posted on 03/06/2010 3:20:25 PM PST by DaveArk
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A just society assures its citizens’ basic needs.

Yes it does via private charity, NOT government confiscation!

14 posted on 03/06/2010 3:28:42 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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A nation has a moral obligation to care for its people, and if it fails to do so, it is a lesser country.

How does this work for the unborn babies? Just wondering.

15 posted on 03/06/2010 3:32:05 PM PST by Faith
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"to lie about who they are"

It's not about "who" they are; it's about "what" they are; sex deviates, mal-adjusted to societal normalcy and natural sexual behavior, and trying to immerse themselves into a group to whick they don't belong. Their values are NOT those of the near-universal nomally sexually-adjusted service personnel.

If they wanna play their deviant games, don't bring it to the military groups.

Trying to lend legitamacy to every wacko and mal-content via "diversity" is what has torn this country apart. What people do with their own deviances has no business being an issue to be approved, de facto, by recognition. If you wanna marry a sheep, do it off-base.

16 posted on 03/06/2010 3:33:31 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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“No matter how I look at this issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens.”

Everywhere that this tacit acceptance of homosexuality has been allowed it has corrupted, deformed and irreparably harmed those institutions and millions of people. Now they want to do it to the finest military in the world.

We are fighting 2 wars against a ruthless enemy, the economy is in the dumper and "commander zero" sees this as a pressing issue?

18 posted on 03/06/2010 3:39:07 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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How Obama can shift the health-care debate

Resign?

19 posted on 03/06/2010 3:42:25 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!!)
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Those that have studied rhetoric know that once the argument goes from political to moral grounds, there is no room for compromise. Argument is over. It is no longer about the future, it is about morality. Why is it that no politician raised the fundamental question, namely, is it the proper role of government to provide health care? Health care is a goods, not a right. Is it moral to saddle generations to come with an insurmountable debt? Is it moral to provide for an entitlement that will destroy the best medical care in the world? Is it moral to tell people that these entitlements are sustainable when they are not?


20 posted on 03/06/2010 3:47:05 PM PST by Nosterrex
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The truth is Obamacare had been on the front burner since early last summer. The public opposes the plan by roughly a 60/40 margin, which hasn’t budged since late in the summer. Nothing Obama or anybody else says at this point is going to shift public opinion to any significant degree one way or another.


21 posted on 03/06/2010 3:49:06 PM PST by apillar
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The pivot to “morality” on Obamacare can mean only one thing:

Waterloo Barry Waterloo.

It’s dead Jim.

[By all means don’t listen to me...just keep spending more time on Obamacare...Carry On....]

[San Fran Nan is now down to 199 votes]


23 posted on 03/06/2010 3:58:17 PM PST by bigoil
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“No matter how I look at this issue, I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens.”

Actually, the official policy is "no Gays". But the "don't ask ,don't tell" doesn't make people lie, it just makes them keep their mouth shut.

25 posted on 03/06/2010 3:59:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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A just society assures its citizens’ basic needs.

I don't think he knows what "assures" means. It doesn't mean "insures". Of course, under the common definition, a "just society" does no such thing. It's not the job of "society" to care for individuals, only to care for the society.

26 posted on 03/06/2010 4:01:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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