Posted on 03/03/2010 2:11:25 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Hawaii Department of Health claims to have an original copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, right?
In fact, it is this established "fact" that has persuaded so many people there is nothing to the question of eligibility.
After all, an official in Hawaii has made a public pronouncement that she has inspected the document and declared on her own authority that Obama is a "natural born American" and thus eligible to serve as president.
For many Americans, that settles the question.
However, now a new version of the story is emerging.
The United Kingdom's Sky News reported Saturday: "Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives."
Which is it?
Does Hawaii actually have an original long-form, paper birth certificate for Obama, or was it destroyed in a fire?
It seems the story is ever-changing.
And that's why it's time for Obama to come clean.
There is little question the heavily Democratic state of Hawaii has no interest in providing any information that would disqualify the first president claiming to be from that state.
If indeed the state has a copy of the original birth certificate, as Director of Health Dr. Chiyome Fukino claims, it should be no problem for Obama to give her permission to release it publicly – and, once and for all, settle the controversy that has resulted in that state being inundated with inquiries from curious American citizens.
Fukino has released two public statements on this matter.(continued)
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
That doesn't say where he was born fool it's ONLY an address.
The Certification of Live Birth for Obama also lists the birthplace as City of Honolulu, County of Honolulu, Island of Oahu, state of Hawaii.
You mean that fake one where Obama will not show it to court.
“Obama’s Hawaii Boyhood Homes Drawing Gawkers”
A non sequitur. We still haven't seen his real birth certificate.
A ringing endorsement by an Obot for the lame stream media who act like the monkeys who will not hear, speak, and see.
Waiting for the phone company, other utilities or the owners to step up and show the proof of residency at the time of his birth. Let me know when the plaques are erected at the house and the hospital. We’re planning on an OB birth tour of Honolulu to celebrate the verification of the facts.
Real journalists try to find the best evidence and verification. Since his files have all been closed, by him, real journalist would keep probing.
The Honolulu newspapers’ birth announcements list the home address of the parents based on information received from the birth hospital and sent to the Bureau of Health Statistics.
I’m referring to the information on the COLB that the St. Petersburg Times newspaper sent to the Hawaii Department of Health that was verified as a “valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate” by the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health.
Here’s what she said: “When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
You have seen all the information that the US Constitution requires: place of birth and age. But living in a state of denial must be a blissful place for you. Enjoy!
It says Obama has a birth record. It doesn’t say what’s on the record other than name or gender. It also fails to say that the alleged COLB is real. What they could do is tell us if the certificate number on the flunkchicks.org certificate is real. So far, they refuse, in spite of having full statutory authority to say so. IOW, the DOH could legally tell the whole truth. For some reason they don’t want to.
Read that part of the Constitution 1 more time. They allowed for the fact that at the time of our country’s Founding, that EVERYONE in the new formed country was a former citizen of somwhere else (Great Britian, mostly, in this case). However, The provision clearly states, for future generations, as the founders died off, that you MUST be a NATURAL BORN American citizen AT BIRTH, no ifs, ands, or buts. End of story. Game, Set, Match..............
Doesn't mean crap. How about we see what the real birth certificate says and how it was obtained? Was grandma the witness to a birth outside of the hospital? We are still waiting to see it.
I’m referring to the information on the COLB that the St. Petersburg Times newspaper sent to the Hawaii Department of Health that was verified as a “valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate” by the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health.
What one? That's the same one that the Daily Kooks at DailyKos.com showed. How about when Fukino admitted to the fact she didn't know what that could be referring to Obama's online COLB.
Here’s what she said: “When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
Real my @ss. E-mailed a question. LoL! Of course Hawaii admited that they have some type of record on Obama. I showed you what Fukino said above. The St. Petersburg Times story was debunked so many times in 2008 and 2009....I'm sure you saw some of it.
... and you're saying it was an at home birth instead of a hospital??
The Certification of Live Birth for Obama also lists the birthplace as City of Honolulu, County of Honolulu, Island of Oahu, state of Hawaii.
A counterfeit dollar bill would have George Washington's picture on it, but that doesn't make it real.
This wasn't Barak Sr.'s address. It evidently belonged to the Dunhams (Obama's maternal grandparents). A home address says nothing about where the baby was born.
I’m referring to the information on the COLB that the St. Petersburg Times newspaper sent to the Hawaii Department of Health that was verified as a “valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate” by the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health.
Still, she [spokesbabe Okubo] acknowledges: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
When such a statement is based on unidentified documents that can't be examined for accuracy. No vital record maintained by the HI DOH contains a place for declaring anyone to be a 'natural born American citizen.' That statement was an outright lie, so Chiyome Fukino's credibility was shot.
No court of law has countered her statement with an adjudication of a lawsuit in the favor of any plaintiff who has challenged Obama’s eligibility. There have been 63 attempts thus far, all have failed including seven at the Supreme Court.
While you may question the state Director of Health’s credibilty, its obvious that judges and justices do not.
When the defendants in any lawsuit submit legal briefs as to why a lawsuit should be rejected or dismissed, they most likely submit a notarized or sworn copy of Fukino’s statement.
She has the statuatory authority to oversee all vital records in the state of Hawaii.
However if anybody really wants to see Obama’s vault copy, long form birth certificate, all they need do is convince a prosecutor, any prosecutor in the nation to subpoena it. That is allowable under Hawaii Revised Statutes 339-18(b) point 9 which states “The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
The Honolulu newspapers’ birth announcements list the home address of the parents based on information received from the birth hospital and sent to the Bureau of Health Statistics.
This wasn’t Barak Sr.’s address. It evidently belonged to the Dunhams (Obama’s maternal grandparents). A home address says nothing about where the baby was born.
I’m referring to the information on the COLB that the St. Petersburg Times newspaper sent to the Hawaii Department of Health that was verified as a “valid Hawaii state Birth Certificate” by the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health.
Still, she [spokesbabe Okubo] acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”
link to: Obama’s birth certificate: Final chapter
Good. You have come up with a great example of a logical fallacy. The failure to get a court to hear a case, much less admit Fukino's deliberate misstatement as any kind of evidence doesn't prove its validity.
While you may question the state Director of Health’s credibilty, its obvious that judges and justices do not.
I proved my point and you insist on sustaining a fallacious argument. Good for you.
She has the statuatory authority to oversee all vital records in the state of Hawaii.
Right. And none of those records have been shown to prove Obama was born in Hawaii and none say anything about anyone being a 'natural born American citizen,' which itself is a misnomer.
Thus far to the best of my knowledge no one has tried to convince a judge to issue a subpoena Obama’s birth certificate
The cases have to get past the standing hurdle and into the discovery phase. No judge in American seems to want to take the chance of being labeled a racist and let this case get that far.
The Times didn't mail a hard copy of the COLB. They sent an e-mail of a jpg that had been originally sent to them by Tommy Vietor, one of Obama's flunkies. Okubo had to back off her statement when she couldn't explain the lack of a seal and registrar's signature. Now they tell us they can't say ANYTHING about the alleged certificate.
It was absolutely not Obot the 'Final chapter'.
Okubo backtracks swimming fast in a later statement to the St. Petersburg weenies by the following:
"A senior official in the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his "birth certificate" lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was "valid," she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
As I told you up the thread, the St. Petersburg Times article has been debunked more times than Democrats lie in a months...and that's a whole lotta lying. You seem to always regurgitate crap that's old news which has been hammered into submission.
Your misdirection saying Janice Okubo that she confirmed it as a “valid Hawaii state birth certificate” has been negated by her own words. And define "it"? "It" was certainly not what was posted online at the DailyKos.com Kooks.
Could you please post a source for your statement that she “backed off.”
The reason I ask is because more than a month after Okubo was quoted by Politifact of the St. Petersburg Times, she was still defending Obama’s birth data in the Washington Independent: “It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam
From the article:
Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama's birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state's archives.
Obviously false. Some stupid limey makes it up as he goes along, and we have another huge thread! LOL!
As is well known by now, Hawaii routinely gives out laser-printed "certifications of live birth" because it's cheaper, not because Zero's got burnt up. All the so-called CoLB is is a piece of paper stating the basic facts about the birth along with a stamp and an official signature attesting that the facts are true. They do it because it's easier and cheaper than digging out the microfiche or the original, making a copy, and certifying the copy. The piece of paper constitutes proof in court or when applying for a passport, etc.
Read that part of the Constitution 1 more time. They allowed for the fact that at the time of our country’s Founding, that EVERYONE in the new formed country was a former citizen of somwhere else (Great Britian, mostly, in this case). However, The provision clearly states, for future generations, as the founders died off, that you MUST be a NATURAL BORN American citizen AT BIRTH, no ifs, ands, or buts. End of story. Game, Set, Match..............
The link is in post #310.
The reason I ask is because more than a month after Okubo was quoted by Politifact of the St. Petersburg Times, she was still defending Obama’s birth data in the Washington Independent: “It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
That doesn't indicate that the alleged COLB is real, just that Spokesbabe Okubo doesn't like getting questions and requests about it. It's their own fault for not being more open when they have the authority to do so much more.
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories.
This part is the reporter's opinion. Spokesbabe Okubo doesn't say that in the ensuing quote. She's leading you to think that, but fails to acknowledge that her own department was unable to vouch for the alleged certificate. During this whole process, the DOH failed to let anyone know they were able to release index data about the certificate or that they were able to release non-certified copies of the COLB according to their own administrative rules. Instead they make an argument based on a futility fallacy.
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