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NYT: Empty Skies Over Afghanistan
NYT ^ | 02/18/10 | LARA M. DADKHAH

Posted on 02/27/2010 10:49:37 AM PST by HokieMom

THE Taliban have found a way to beat American airpower. And they have managed this remarkable feat with American help.

The consequences of this development are front and center in the current offensive in Marja, Afghanistan, where air support to American and Afghan forces has been all but grounded by concerns about civilian casualties.

American and NATO military leaders — worried by Taliban propaganda claiming that air strikes have killed an inordinate number of civilians, and persuaded by “hearts and minds” enthusiasts that the key to winning the war is the Afghan population’s goodwill — have largely relinquished the strategic advantage of American air dominance. Last July, the commander of Western forces, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, issued a directive that air strikes (and long-range artillery fire) be authorized only under “very limited and prescribed conditions.”

So in a modern refashioning of the obvious — that war is harmful to civilian populations — the United States military has begun basing doctrine on the premise that dead civilians are harmful to the conduct of war. The trouble is, no past war has ever supplied compelling proof of that claim.

In Marja, American and Afghan troops have shown great skill in routing the Taliban occupiers. But news reports indicate that our troops under heavy attack have had to wait an hour or more for air support, so that insurgents could be positively identified. “We didn’t come to Marja to destroy it, or to hurt civilians,” a Marine officer told reporters after waiting 90 minutes before the Cobra helicopters he had requested showed up with their Hellfire missiles. He’s right that the goal is not to kill bystanders or destroy towns, but an overemphasis on civilian protection is now putting American troops on the defensive in what is intended to be a major offensive.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; enemypropaganda; marjah; military; obama; taliban; wot
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To: r9etb

Your error — and it is a big one — Is in thinking that Time is on our side. But of course it is not at all.

Everyday Islam is catching up to US more and more in technology and money.


61 posted on 02/28/2010 1:35:39 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: DesertRhino

Who needs SAM site and fighters to sweep the skies when you have a senior officer corps of spineless PC yes men and a socialist/muslim president? You just point out that airstikes are “culturally insensitive”. Our Government and PC Senior Officer Corps cringes in terror at the accusation.
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How very true!


62 posted on 02/28/2010 1:37:22 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: verity

If civilians are killed we make enemies.

This is what our smartest in the Pentagon are saying. It is laughable. We are in a war, a WAR. Civilians always get killed in a WAR. Everyone except the PC sensitized and nuetered understands and accepts this.

We will make enemies by not killing the bad guys and then leaving in two years. When the taliban walk back in, every single civilian will hate our guts because.....

for fear of accidentally killing civilians we purposely did not kill the Taliban.

The Afghan people understand war. Too bad the Pentagon doesn’t anymore.

Time is not on our side


63 posted on 02/28/2010 1:52:51 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Lancey Howard

Surprising that this is from the NYT. I can only pray that this strategy sorks because all common sense indicates it’s very dangerous for our troops and not necessarily a winning one.


64 posted on 02/28/2010 5:11:32 AM PST by Girlene
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To: TomasUSMC

Mr. Ron White was certainly correct about you. :-)


65 posted on 02/28/2010 7:15:34 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Lancey Howard
The frustration of those whose experience is limited to small unit engagements is understandable.
In order to understand the evolution of COIN doctrine, I recommend you read Henry Liddell Hart's book Strategy: The Indirect Approach for a historical perspective; The U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual [With Forewords by General David H. Petraeus and Lt. General James F. Amos and by Lt. Colonel John A. Nagl]; and FM 3-24.
66 posted on 02/28/2010 7:31:31 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: darkwing104

It was an excellent article. The author points out that fighting to win the Miss Congeniality contest is not saving lives, and oh, by the way, WTF were we thinking - a question shouted out on these pages when McCrystal decided to sugarcoat all further encounters.


67 posted on 03/01/2010 3:20:27 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Joseph, get my cape, scepter and teleprompters, it's time to terrorize the peasants.)
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To: HokieMom

Yes. That and the architect of “Just Lay Down And Let Em Pee On Ya” McCrystal


68 posted on 03/01/2010 3:25:52 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Joseph, get my cape, scepter and teleprompters, it's time to terrorize the peasants.)
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To: Girlene
It was an op-ed. I'm pretty sure their staff wouldn't have written that.

btw, how's things?

69 posted on 03/01/2010 3:40:01 PM PST by 4woodenboats (Joseph, get my cape, scepter and teleprompters, it's time to terrorize the peasants.)
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