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NYT: Empty Skies Over Afghanistan
NYT ^ | 02/18/10 | LARA M. DADKHAH

Posted on 02/27/2010 10:49:37 AM PST by HokieMom

THE Taliban have found a way to beat American airpower. And they have managed this remarkable feat with American help.

The consequences of this development are front and center in the current offensive in Marja, Afghanistan, where air support to American and Afghan forces has been all but grounded by concerns about civilian casualties.

American and NATO military leaders — worried by Taliban propaganda claiming that air strikes have killed an inordinate number of civilians, and persuaded by “hearts and minds” enthusiasts that the key to winning the war is the Afghan population’s goodwill — have largely relinquished the strategic advantage of American air dominance. Last July, the commander of Western forces, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, issued a directive that air strikes (and long-range artillery fire) be authorized only under “very limited and prescribed conditions.”

So in a modern refashioning of the obvious — that war is harmful to civilian populations — the United States military has begun basing doctrine on the premise that dead civilians are harmful to the conduct of war. The trouble is, no past war has ever supplied compelling proof of that claim.

In Marja, American and Afghan troops have shown great skill in routing the Taliban occupiers. But news reports indicate that our troops under heavy attack have had to wait an hour or more for air support, so that insurgents could be positively identified. “We didn’t come to Marja to destroy it, or to hurt civilians,” a Marine officer told reporters after waiting 90 minutes before the Cobra helicopters he had requested showed up with their Hellfire missiles. He’s right that the goal is not to kill bystanders or destroy towns, but an overemphasis on civilian protection is now putting American troops on the defensive in what is intended to be a major offensive.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; enemypropaganda; marjah; military; obama; taliban; wot
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Lara M. Dadkhah is an intelligence analyst.
1 posted on 02/27/2010 10:49:37 AM PST by HokieMom
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To: HokieMom
“American and NATO military leaders — worried by Taliban propaganda claiming that air strikes have killed an inordinate number of civilians...”

Taliban propaganda = NYT

2 posted on 02/27/2010 10:52:57 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: HokieMom

We used to talk about the longest war or the deadliest. Now we talk about which is the nicest.


3 posted on 02/27/2010 10:53:04 AM PST by votemout
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To: HokieMom

Another war run by lawyers!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 02/27/2010 10:53:53 AM PST by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Taliban propaganda = NYT

Very true, which is why I'm surprised they allowed this point of view to be printed.

5 posted on 02/27/2010 10:55:24 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: HokieMom
Lara M. Dadkhah is an intelligence analyst for the Taliban.
6 posted on 02/27/2010 10:58:58 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: votemout
Now we talk about which is the nicest.

I like your screen name. Election day can't come soon enough and we have a competent Commander in Chief in charge.

7 posted on 02/27/2010 11:01:13 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: HokieMom

best we can do for two years is gridlock the guy and prevent all of these dangerous bills from passing.


8 posted on 02/27/2010 11:02:20 AM PST by votemout
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To: HokieMom

How many of our soldiers will be needlessly killed because of this insanity?


9 posted on 02/27/2010 11:03:13 AM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Highest Authority

We have a muslim in the white hut. Bring the troops home. You cannot run a war like this. A waste of time, money and lives.


10 posted on 02/27/2010 11:05:02 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: HokieMom

NYT promotes this point of view because it takes the blame that is rightfully their own and pins it on our Military.


11 posted on 02/27/2010 11:05:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: HokieMom; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

In a short while Generals Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley and others will be posthumously tried for war crimes as they gave the orders to stage the D-Day landings that caused thousands of civilian deaths in the ill-advised attempt to drive the NAZIS from occupied Europe.
Then will come the trial of Nimitz, LeMay, and MacArthur for committing the same heinous crimes in the Pacific.
The concern for those poor civilians caught in the fighting in Afghanistan will be counted in the additional deaths of young AMERICANS.
Years ago, in other wars, American officers were concerned about the welfare of their troops...FIRST.


12 posted on 02/27/2010 11:06:35 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Isn’t the writer making the point that the hands of those best able to win the war are tied by cowards in the White House?


13 posted on 02/27/2010 11:07:59 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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"Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster...If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking...This war differs from other wars, in this particular. We are not fighting armies but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war. My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom."

~ William T. Sherman ~

14 posted on 02/27/2010 11:10:05 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: HokieMom
Devil's advocate: Is it possible that our military superiority is so overwhelming that we actually can fight nice wars now?
15 posted on 02/27/2010 11:11:20 AM PST by Yardstick
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Lara M. Dadkhah is an intelligence analyst.

Most Intelligence Analysts are like Hookers, Politicians or Shady Lawyers. Pay them enough and they say or do anything you want them too...How do I know? I was one.


16 posted on 02/27/2010 11:11:59 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: HokieMom
“Isn’t the writer making the point that the hands of those best able to win the war are tied by cowards in the White House?”

How about this minor correction:
“Isn’t the writer making the point that the hands of those best able to win the war are tied by cowards in the White House, aided and abetted by the commies at the NYT?”

17 posted on 02/27/2010 11:12:22 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: HokieMom

In previous wars, at least up until WWII we did not consider civilians to be victims but rather enablers. We understood that to win hearts and minds it was first necessary to defeat the enemy militarily and that included the support of the citizenry. Only after their will to win was destroyed could you begin to persuade them to the victors point of view.

At this point the Afghan people cannot be won over to our way of thinking because they have not suffered the consequences of their support for the Taliban. They look at the situation and see, rightly, that they are winning therefore they have no incentive to change.

The only real solution is to unleash hell on the entire population and then work with whoever remains. At that point they will realize the futility of their previous beliefs and can be persuaded to change

Unfortunately we no longer have the intestinal fortitude to wage this type of war. Until we rediscover the benefits of all out war we are destined to suffer these eternal ‘death by a thousand cuts’ wars.


18 posted on 02/27/2010 11:17:47 AM PST by slumber1
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To: HokieMom

We are trying very hard to lose this war


19 posted on 02/27/2010 11:23:57 AM PST by GeronL (Political Philosophy: I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Your error — and it is a big one — is in thinking that the nature of the war in Afghanistan is the same as WWII. But of course it is not that at all.


20 posted on 02/27/2010 11:27:07 AM PST by r9etb
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