Posted on 02/24/2010 8:45:06 PM PST by I Am Not A Mod
Edited on 02/24/2010 9:28:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Here is a video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t69uZ-MXQKc
On 1st of February 2010, Marko Sihvonen came and started a hunger strike in front of the Finnish parliament building.
He is protesting against the corrupt government who is selling our ground waters away to offshore corporations, all of this behind our backs.
In short: 3 local companies (Atria (food), Altia (government alcohol monopoly company), Valio (largest milk and cheese company in FInland)) are building a water pipeline that is built using ISO22000 standard. Nestle (nestle is worlds largest food&beverage company), Kraft (second largest), Danone, and Unilever are behind that standard. They are planning to pump so much water that no local city or municipality can use it so it must be for export.
Many families have been thrown out from their land with the use of eminent domain. Military says it want's their land for training purposes or helicopter bases but after land has been seized, they built a pipeline through it. about 55 miles of pipeline has already been built in the municipality of Karvia. In middle of Finland. Something 20-30 families have already been thrown out from their lands and about 8 are left.
We have had many corruption scandals in the past years, even involving our priminister. These relate to campaign contributions that they gave to themselves. For example the priminister gave money to himself from a mostly taxpayer upheld public foundtion like "RAY nuorisosaatio". He said he didn't know its corruption so he will not resign.
We have a small Icelandic movement now growing in front of our parliament and many Finnish people want new parliament elections for 2010. They would normally be held in 2011.
Here is a short 7 min video about the situation. We Finnish people humbly ask if you could spread the video and message around.
Here is a video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t69uZ-MXQKc
There is also a support website at
http://www.supportmarkosihvonen.com support facebook site:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=286922701431
Please join.
(this demonstration is under threat every day. Even today, the police called and said you have 2 hours left to move the camper trailer and leave. After 2 hours, police came and removed one of the trailer campers (there were 2) and arrested tne hunger striker (who was freed after 2 hours).
Demonstration for our freedoms is currently continuing and it can be seen live here:
http://www.bambuser.com/channel/supportmarkosihvonen/58416
It is also still 0 dark thirty in Finland, so it can be assumed that Yosajugurt is still sleeping.
Thank you for posting this important post. We will be reading and posting further.
This priminister must be even primmer than other priministers.
Clever idea to pipe spring water right to the port, however this isn’t necessarily a killer selling point. Some waters say “bottled at the source.” The less processing, the purer the water, or so the marketing goes.
Not only couldn’t you post to the original thread, the text on the News/Activism page said something about another “circular cloud incident” in Finland. It had nothing to do with the actual post contents.
Very good video..! I sent it to my friends...!
It’s even crazier to allege that households were demolished for an easement to run a silly spring water pipe through their yard.
Does sound rather suspect, doesn't it? It's a strange charge, that's for sure.
I ain't all that interested in Finnish goings-on, so I probably won't follow up on this to see who's telling the truth.
I can barely keep up with what Bozo and his henchmen are doing to my country day in and day out.
Looking up Karvia and "vesi" (="water") yields one article (from the same source) from yesterday, apparently when the trailer was still camped there.
I'll watch it and see if it hits any international press.
Helsinki police has moved the protesters' concerns about the ground-water caravans and a car off the coasts of Parliament House. Part of the vehicles transferred to the protesters themselves. The demonstration began in early February.
One of the RV is still grass area of Parliament House grubbing was snow on the spot. Groundwater of the most visible demonstration organizer Marko Sihvosen the protest continues, and the wagon was before, at 23: a eight people.
Police, protesters in the city is not allowed to keep vehicles in front of Parliament House, but was initially given permission for tents. Authorization to the tent camp was a force of 23 Until February, the police told.
Sihvosen they have a license 1 - 100 demonstrations of the vehicle parking spot. According to the protesters claimed the police parking ban. The protesters have given their public image traffic sign, which originally had pysäköimiskielto, but the character is added the second stroke, when the sign changes pysähtymiskielloksi. Marko Sihvoselle was unclear what the road signs meant.
- I do not know when it was huputettu. Then it took it out of range hood. I asked that, whether it is now still in force when the hood is removed, when it now means different things, Sihvonen says.
The police justify the transfer of the caravans, the fact that it disrupted the functioning of parliament and the construction site and lumenluontia. One of the caravans was that the police unregistered. Together with the caravans had been wood-fired sauna.
- When we do not have electricity, was to be the use of the washing place, Marko Sihvonen says.
According to the police removed the demonstrators camp in the caravan with no success after negotiations. According to the protesters not been the subject of negotiations. Their video for the Internet publication of the police, however, the field director is negotiating a Sihvosen and his supporters with the demonstrators and to give time to decide which of the wagons left the site.
Police deny addressing the right to demonstrate.
Tents during the movement was about ten. Police temporarily closed the two demonstrators the police car because they did not want to leave the apartment for the transfer trolley. Police picked up justifies the inclusion of safety considerations. Sihvosen that he was the second car entered.
Marko Sihvonen is told to be on hunger strike since the beginning of February. Sihvosen support group on Facebook had joined Wednesday evening by almost 3 500 members.
The demonstrators have expressed concerns that the Finnish ground waters are sold in major international companies.
Finland is GOING to be under attack alright, because team USA is going to smoke their @$$ in the semis.
Sounds to me like typical “anti-globalist” rubbish.
Apparently some home-grown companies are selling clean water to international water bottlers, for marketing where ever, as “Clean, Vrigin, Finnish Spring Water”. More power to them. They will be competing with gourmet water from New Zealand glaciers, Fijiian tropical springs, and triple-treated tapwater from El Monte.
Now don’t bother me again. I have to watch Lost on my TIVO.
I want to clarify something for you and for all:
This man or this protest is not a typical anarchist “smash windows communism is good, anti capitalism protest”.
This man has said that he is not for the left or the right, he is for liberty vs tyranny.
He has also said he is not against capitalism. He is against monopolism and cartels.
What happened yesterday was the following: there were 2 camper trailers and a car in front of the parliament, for the fourth week now. The deputy mayor Pekka Sauri himself has in a written statement said that the camper trailers can stay in front of the parliament.
Yesterday, a red tape was put over one traffic sign near the camper trailers. That red tape made it a double cross sign, that in our countries makes it illegal to park there. After the red tape mystically appeared, the police came and said “according to that sign, you are parking illegally”.
Then a tow truck came and towed the other trailer away. They also arrested Mr Hunger Striker from inside of the truck.
Police said that according to traffic sign laws he must move. The hunger striker said the Finnish constitution goes over a traffic sign, and the deputy mayor has said the vehicles can stay there. Well police don’t know constitution here in Finland, like many police don’t know it in the U.S.A and then about 4 police grabbed him out from the caravan.
It is unheard of in Finland that local and state politicians are selling our ground waters behind our backs like this. This is not a small issue. This same government is wanting to ban our guns with the excuse of 2 school shooting that happened in the last years and they are the government is pro climate tax.
But we all know global warming is just a money making scam for the IMF and World Bank.
This is a much more serious attack on the people than I can even describe. The people wouldn’t get any money from any water selling that would happen. Its all happening in secret and even our defenSe forces are corrupted when they have been made the henchmen to take peoples land. People wont usually fight back if the defense forces take land back because it would be seen “unpatriotic”.
The news said yesterday that the demonstration is now off, but in reality it isn’t. Only 1 trailer was moved.
There has also a criminal complaint been made against the police that acted yesterday. They wouldn’t tell their names, where they got their orders from and so on.
Here is also a small interesting detail of our history:
In the second world war, Soviet Union and Stalin attacked us with 1 million men while we had half of that. Soviets had 3000 tanks we had 32.
Soviets had 3800 airplanes, we had 114
All other nations that Stalin attacked either were half destroyed (Stalin killed over 60 million) or occupied. We were one of the rare countries to fight back Stalins communism and didn’t loose.
So, we can handle foreign communist attacks but this corruption comes from inside our country.
We are practically in the same mess as the USA. Many police do what they want, no one knows the constitution. Debt is running high, government is using eminent domain to take peoples land, government wants to ban our guns. They want to control everything with the excuse of “fighting climate change”.
Here is a news article that includes a picture of the sign with the tape on it, the sign why people were arrested yesterday:
http://www.vartti.fi/artikkeli/508c7b76-731e-4aca-81d3-13b149896b17
U.S.A and Finland are quite same in the end, except that you got your freedoms (thanks to a bloody battle in 1700) much earlier then we did.
Both countries have a lot of guns.
Both countries used to fight communism.
Both countries have a lot of Christianity.
Both countries are conservative at the root level, even if the politicians and mass media tell otherwise.
So I ask you.. Don’t judge this as a anti capitalist movement when in fact, its actually pro capitalist.
Here is picture from the e-mail the deputy mayor sent us:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30597998&op=2&o=global&view=global&subj=286922701431&id=1120863983
(in 1 hour, they are going to take a bullhorn out and shout for freedom, wan be watched live at the bambuser link that I gave in the first post. Police will probably come and arrest them after they start to to that, Even if it’s agaisnt the law).
I’ve read about the Finn sharpshooters, especially the one guy who held out for a really long time in WWII. Yeah for the Finns!
I went to YouTube to watch the video. Twice it stopped at just over 2 min and threw me off the internet. Had to reboot. Wonder if there is some sort of block? Don’t normally have this issue. Thought you might want to know.
Can Marko and his friends document any of the water heisting activity and put on YouTube? Do a mini-documentary and film the families who’ve been tossed off their property? Video any eviction notices? Film water co. trucks, equipment, pipeline? Also, if they could comb through the constitution and any applicable Federal laws to document which ones support the illegality of the act would be helpful.
I don’t know a darned thing about the Finnish constitution, but it would seem there must be a way to submit a legal appeal to address this issue.
Also, sending the information on to Hannity or Beck might help to obtain a larger audience for your plight. Beck is so focused on US idiocy, Hannity might be the better bet. He did an extensive piece on the California water cut off that turned the San Joaquin Valley into a dust bowl. Shameful EPA/Environutter acts...
Best of luck.
PS- You might want to send a link to Matt Drudge of the DrudgeReport. But you’ll need a more fully fleshed out story, IMO. Can you find a friendly journalist?
PPS- People might leap to the wrong conclusion about Marko because of his wild hairstyle and funky beaded beard. I thought he seemed credible and quite normal, though :-)
First of all, I have no problem with protests, and certainly I believe that police, as well as protestors need to comply with the law. But, without any doubt, lawful protest ought to be allowed and applauded as a vital expression of free speech.
Here’s my issue: Water is not particularly rare, and it is expensive to transport. That’s why water is almost always consumed near where it is found. The quantity of water that can be produced and transported long distances, then sold at a profit is relatively small. It is competing in the gourmet water market, where water is sold in 220 ml bottles, and the competition is stiff. Finland is not the only place with clean water, after all.
It is impossible for me to imagine any set of circumstances where a quantity of water could be produced, transported and exported that would cause even the slightest disturbance to Finland. Maybe that’s why I can’t find anywhere that the amount of water that is causing all this is anywhere defined. Are we talking about 3,000,000 cubic meters a year (equivalent to 15 billion bottles of gourmet water a year)? Or 300,000 cubic meters? In either case the amount is laughably negligible - an amount of water 10 meters deep by 30 meters wide and 300 meters long. That’s just one small lake.
Now think about this and tell me if you can, what is the diammeter of this pipeline? I can tell you that it will be very small diameter, no larger than 20 to 30 cm. Installing a pipeline like this does not require moving farmers off their land. There is something else involved here that you are not speaking of openly. I’d like to know what it is.
This whole story simply does not add up. It doesn’t pass my smell test. I’m not saying that nothing is going on here, far from it. I’m just saying that this is not the whole story, and I’d like to know just what that might be.
Oh, a link to translated information would be helpful. [The Facebook posts meant nothing to me as I could not read them.] Not too many Yanks speak your language :-(
It's good to see that there still exist brave Finns who loathe Communism.
My dear 95 year old Aunt told me several years ago about a brave Finnish Major whom she and my US Army Maj. Uncle befriended when my Uncle was stationed in Alaska.
When Finland was invaded by Russia in 1939 there were brave Finnish soldiers who struck back repeatedly at the invading Russians, including my Aunt and Uncle's friend Antero 'Andy' Aakkula.
WWII War Hero Finnish Major Antero 'Andy' Aakula was a member of the group of "Marttinen's Men" who ran repeated and extensive secret strikes against the Russians.
In 1945 when Finnish Maj. Aakkula was summoned by the Soviets for a "meeting" about his participation in defending Finland against the invading 1939 Russians, Major Aakkula left, made his way to the U.S. and joined our Army.
Aakkula began training our soldiers in wintertime military ops and rose to the rank of Colonel in our U.S. Army/
U.S. Army Col. Aakkula also later served in Korea, Viet Nam and then eventually retired in Colorado Springs.
In 2006 at age 95 retired US Army Col. Aakkula was finally awarded one of Finland's highest military honors "Military Medal of Finnish Defense Forces" by Finland's Defense attache Col. Hannu Hansen-Haug, who made a special trip to visit retired Col. Aakkula who was living in a Colorado Springs nursing home.
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