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Gun Instructor Accidentally Shoots Student [FL]
wftv ^ | 20-Feb-2010

Posted on 02/21/2010 1:09:53 PM PST by stainlessbanner

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An instructor teaching a concealed weapons safety class accidentally shot one of his participants in Orlando.

The class was being held at the Summit Church on Herndon Avenue, but the church was not sponsoring the class. The class was a NRA Concealed Weapons Safety Course.

Orlando police say Michael Phillips was teaching the class, when his gun accidentally went off, and shot Robert Frauman, Junior.

Frauman was shot in the foot. He was taken to the hospital, and is expected to recover.


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To: Kozak

South Dakota requires no class, no test, no firing profiency.

Fill out a one page form for the FBI background check. When it comes back clean (same day or next day), pay the sheriff $10 and he gives you your temporary CCW. About a week later your permanent one shows up in the mail.


81 posted on 02/21/2010 5:59:21 PM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Brilliant

Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach.


82 posted on 02/21/2010 7:09:08 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Red in Blue PA

>> No class should be needed, nor license for that matter ...

Good idea - why don’t we meet at the airplane and I’ll give you the keys to my B-767?

>> No offense, but that is one of the dumbest comments I have ever read here.

Well, thanks for the insult - you may want to cut down on the caffeine a bit. The point was that a class is needed to UNDO the previous training received by the student. Training? Where? From Uncle Fred. And especially from the TV shows that know only one place for Mr. Finger - on the trigger. I said nothing about “Gummn’t mandated training”.

Oh, and BTW, if you remember, the NRA was founded in 1871 by two Yankee generals who figgered out y’all couldn’t shoot worth a hoot. With over 2,000 students under my company’s belt, I can assure you - nothing much has changed.


83 posted on 02/21/2010 7:16:18 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Any students you’d have liked to shoot?


84 posted on 02/22/2010 2:17:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy is little more than a quota boy.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Was the instructor not covering the rule about never point your gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy?

Apparently not.

85 posted on 02/22/2010 4:53:48 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Kozak

classroom vs range: ammo at the latter, not in the former.


86 posted on 02/22/2010 5:36:54 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("Roll back Pelosi" Rush Limbaugh, 2/12/10)
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To: sig226; All
When this was discovered, the instructors had their credentials revoked. The students were told to take another class. I would personally enjoy publicly humiliating these instructors. They’re irresponsible scum, and it’s a miracle that no one has been killed on account of their conduct. The hammer will drop in Florida, and not soon enough. It’s going to be pretty nasty when it happens, but it is long overdue. We see people with gun show carry permits every day. Most of them have no idea how ignorant, and dangerous, they are.

Ok, so why don't you tell us what the accidental discharge rate is in Florida among licensed holders and compare that to a state that requires no permit to carry(I believe that is Vermont of all states)and other states that require no training before obtaining a permit(I believe there are several).

Last I heard accidental shootings were no worse in FL than they are in any other state, in fact I understand that since the CCW was made easier to get in FL(1987 I think)the crime rate has dropped rather dramatically.

So what do you base your hysterical rant about easy to obtain permits being dangerous on? People like you belong at DU because you are certainly no conservative. When I was young, people in my state needed no class to obtain a permit, they could also carry openly. Accidents were no worse among people who carried than they are now. Classes are just another attempt to disarm us by making it more difficult to get a permit. Being required to have a permit is bad enough, having to take a 16 hour class(as is required in CA for example)to obtain one(if you are ever even issued one) is beyond the pale.

I am all for firearms safety but permit classes are an infringement on our rights as are permits themselves.

87 posted on 02/22/2010 5:45:08 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

You don’t even know what you’re talking about. Some of us actually live in RTC states and know what we’re talking about. Don’t annoy us any more. Your ignorance is beyond cure.


88 posted on 02/22/2010 6:07:06 AM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: sig226
Us? You speak for others? I notice you didn't address any of the points I made during my comment. As for living in a state that gives the right to carry, I have a CCW, not that I think I should have to have one but that is the law here. As for me not knowning anything everything I said was true.

It is unconstitutional to require a permit, it is unconstitutional to require a class to get said permit. Accidents from concealed carry are no worse in states that don't require a class, or in the one state that doesn't require a permit at all to carry concealed. Florida has a good record, their crime rate has dropped since being allowed to obtain CCWs.

Now, buddy I suggest you stop bothering "us", the ones who believe in the constitution, and quit trying to push your brand of gun control on to us, we don't need it.

89 posted on 02/22/2010 6:27:44 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59; sig226; All
I am all for firearms safety but permit classes are an infringement on our rights as are permits themselves.

There are some that think the knowledge
of the use and safety of firearms are inborn.

All of our rights come from G-d.

I don't think the use and safety of firearms is one of them.


90 posted on 02/22/2010 8:20:47 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: muir_redwoods

One of TRs kids got an infected blister on his heel, after playing tennis at the White House one day.

Ended up dying from blood-poisoning, despite the best medical care available at the time.


91 posted on 02/22/2010 8:31:11 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: muir_redwoods

LOL.


92 posted on 02/22/2010 8:59:02 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Stories like this make me cringe.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

93 posted on 02/22/2010 11:39:29 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

inexcusable stupidity and negligence


94 posted on 02/22/2010 11:43:10 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: stainlessbanner
Gun Instructor Accidentally Shoots Student [FL]

This guy must be entertaining at the range

95 posted on 02/22/2010 11:46:53 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: QBFimi
why don’t we meet at the airplane and I’ll give you the keys to my B-767?

I couldn't find airplanes mentioned in the Constitution.

96 posted on 02/22/2010 11:59:23 AM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: QBFimi

Sleazy end of the concealed carry “Industry” huh? Maybe you want to clarify your position a bit. Are you suggesting that there are a lot of people in firearms training that are simply out to make a quick buck without teaching the information they claim they will impart? Or perhaps you think the qualifications to carry should be more onerous then a 4 hour class?


97 posted on 02/22/2010 1:47:39 PM PST by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: stylin19a

Yes. I’ll never be shot in my orlando. I had mine removed.


98 posted on 02/22/2010 2:49:13 PM PST by TheOldLady (We'll remember in November.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
What was live ammo doing there!

I'd imagine that a concealed handgun instructor would have a Concealed handgun license. Empty gun is a bludgeon at best.

But of course he should be all prepped for the course and unloaded the weapon if he'd going to use it as a "prop", *before* the students are allowed in to the classroom.

99 posted on 02/22/2010 4:23:48 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: max americana
where did he get his instructor certificate? From 7-11?

If it is an NRA course, wouldn't you think he got one from the NRA.

100 posted on 02/22/2010 4:24:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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