Posted on 02/21/2010 1:09:53 PM PST by stainlessbanner
ORLANDO, Fla. -- An instructor teaching a concealed weapons safety class accidentally shot one of his participants in Orlando.
The class was being held at the Summit Church on Herndon Avenue, but the church was not sponsoring the class. The class was a NRA Concealed Weapons Safety Course.
Orlando police say Michael Phillips was teaching the class, when his gun accidentally went off, and shot Robert Frauman, Junior.
Frauman was shot in the foot. He was taken to the hospital, and is expected to recover.
True, but strange things happen.
"Death by Conductor’s Cane While conducting the hymnal Te Deum for French King Louis XIV in 1687, Jean-Baptiste Lully was so focused in keeping the rhythm by banging a staff against the floor (this was the method before conductor’s baton came into use), that he struck his toe hard but refused to stop. The toe developed an abscess, which later turned gangrenous, but Lully refused to have it amputated. The gangrene spread and killed the stubborn musician. Ironically, the hymn he was conducting was in celebration of the recovery of Louis XIV from an illness"
“What was live ammo doing there!”
This is actually an interesting point. In my first class and my renewal class everybody had a box of ammo sitting right there on our desks. Difference is in the first class the instructor went around the room and examined everyone’s weapon for being safe and unloaded. In my renewal we were asked not to get our weapons out until we entered the firing range. Instructors in both cases were carrying what I presume were loaded firearms but neither displayed their guns, they just told us they were carrying.
I just figure every gun is loaded. I read an interesting post over at Mad Ogre where he was talking about somebody bringing an old shotgun into the store and everybody who handled it pumped the action to verify it was empty, until the last guy who handled it did that and a shell popped out of the rusty old magazine tube and chambered. Nobody realized there was a round up in the tube that was stuck in place and didn’t load the first few times they cycled the action. That’s scary, and something you really have to think about.
The way I phrase it for people I teach is more in line with Jeff Cooper's philosophy. My standard speech:
Guns are always loaded. You must not just ASSUME it's loaded, you must utterly believe it to be loaded, even when you know you just unloaded it. Consider it a Zen thing. If you put the gun down even for an instant, you check it again when you pick it up -- some invisible gremlin may have put a round in when you weren't looking.Especially with semi autos, there are too many cases of people absent-mindedly racking the slide and THEN taking out the mag (not realizing that a fresh round was chambered because the mag was still in).
This NRA instructor and his Training Counselor
need to have their credentials reviewed.
A training class for pistol, rifle or shotgun
The first slide or foil contains :
No Ammunition or Loaded Firearms
ALLOWED IN THIS CLASSROOM. Questions?
If people were to follow these NRA safety rules they would eliminate "accidents":
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Not possible, guns do not fire them selves.
You may accidently fire it, but they don't accidentally go off.
The idiot should be fired for training with a loaded weapon, and this guy is an instructor?
Sheesh.
Ping
Which is why, with a pump gun, you are supposed to check the mag tube by sight and feel before pumping the slide, to ensure your pumping it doesn't load a round.
Give him a break. He was cleaning the gun.
I'm guessing the instructor's day job is as a LEO
Keep your bugger hook off the bang button.
How does this $hite happen?
That’s why a firearm ain’t cleared until you look.
“I’m guessing the instructor’s day job is as a LEO”
Why’s that?
“He forgot to follow the first rule of gun safety.
#1) Always, always, always, always, always, always assume a gun is loaded no matter how unloaded you think it is.”
Amen, brother. To be followed by rule #2) Never point a weapon at an animal or person unless your intention is to kill.
Why’s that?
I would vote to lift his ticket. I would also question the skill sets of his Training Counselor. The rules don't apply to him.
Got my safety training via a boot in the ass. Still flinch if I even come close to making a mistake.
Oh, ok. Thought that you were implying that only LEOs can screw up, and no other type of firearms instructor has ever stepped on his rope. s/
There is no such thing. Period.
When I train NRA Instructors,
the first time I handle a firearm,
I point it in a safe direction and
demonstrate the the empty
chamber to a student instructor.I then discuss the process with the
student instructors to follow this
process in their classes.
No class should be needed, nor license for that matter, to carry a firearm. Whether a person shoots their firearm in a class doesn’t really matter if that class should not be a requirement in the first place.
Safety classes should be strongly recomended if the shooter thinks they need one, but not required.
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