Snuff Civilization ( moonbat alert )

Alternatives Magazine ^ | Derrick Jensen

[Halfmanhalfamazing]

Had somebody snuffed civilization in its multiple cradles, the Middle East would probably still be forested, as would Greece, Italy, and North Africa. Lions would probably still patrol southern Europe. The peoples of the region would quite possibly still live in traditional communal ways, and thus would be capable of feeding themselves in a still-fecund landscape.

Fast forward a few hundred years and we can say the same in Europe. Somehow stop the Greeks and Romans, and the indigenous people of Gaul, Spain, Germany probably still survive. Wolves might howl in England. Great auks might nest in France, providing year-round food for the humans who live there.

Salmon might run in more than token numbers up the Seine. The Rhine is almost undoubtedly clean. The continent is forested. Many of the cultures are matrifocal. Many are peaceful.

Had someone brought down civilization before 1492, the Arawaks would probably still live peacefully in the Caribbean. Indians would live in ancient forests all along the Eastern seaboard, along with bison, marten, fisher. North, Central, and South America would be ecologically and culturally intact. The people would probably have, as always, plenty to eat.

Had someone brought down civilization before the slave trade took hold, 100 million Africans would not have been sacrificed on that particular altar of economic production. Native cultures might still live untraumatized on their own land all across that continent. There probably would be, as there always was, plenty to eat.

[Hacklehead]

That essay was what happens when your view of history is based on “Dances with Wolves”

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Again it needs to be said.

If these raving loons want to start depopulating the planet to put it back into a more primitive state, fine. They MUST lead by example.

I’m waiting mr. jensen, but I’m not seeing YOUR obituary yet. Why is that?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Indians would live in ancient forests all along the Eastern seaboard, along with bison, marten, fisher. ****

Oh really? Check this out!

http://www.dickshovel.com/scalp.html

[fieldmarshaldj]

With that, whatever that is around his neck, he reminds me of a pre-op Rosie Greer before he had Ray Milland attached to his shoulder...

[oyez]

Hippie boy would be for 100% organic farming. That would quite likely reduce our agricultural production by 65%. i.e, entire nations starve.

Margaret Sanger. would be proud.

[brytlea]

Well said.

[Alas Babylon!]

Come on! That’s Barry Manilow!!!

[calex59]

I had to remind this idiot that the "noble people" did the same thing, and that these same "noble people" managed to wipe out many a species of land animal in their quest to be "one with nature." Horses, and/or their close relatives, come to mind.

Not to mention the long horned Bison, several different types of antelope, Sabre toothed Tigers, Cave Bears and many other species that died out way before civilization came into being in North America.

[IYAS9YAS]

Lib peace-niks like this guy seem to think they’ll just prance through the forest and pluck low-hanging fruit all day. Do they really believe that?

Unfortunately, yes. Here's another thing they don't understand. If I am hungry, and I have a weapon, guess who eats, and guess who looks for another tree with low-hanging fruit, or bleeds out, his choice.

[dennisw]

Some of the MidWest Indians would drive a herd of buffaloes off a cliff and could only utilize a fraction of those killed for food and pelts. They loved war and it was not always over hunting grounds. Often it was for sport, to capture the enemies women so they would birth more babies for your tribe. Also the warriors could only get more prestige, honor and sex with more women by doing well in battle.

So wars and battles were concocted even when there was enough game and resources for a few tribes to peacefully co-exist.

[achilles2000]

Fascinating

[Billthedrill]

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan

[ejonesie22]

Scary...

[Soothesayer]

Oh yes...I forgot that part.

[Soothesayer]

The liberals solution is to exterminate the population so that low tech farming would be on a smaller scale. The party of death always has a solution.

[Soothesayer]

They don’t want to make your life better. They want to make THEIR lives better. They will live in a self-sufficient techno-tower while the the pariah working class forages for berries.

[GonzoGOP]

The liberals solution is to exterminate the population so that low tech farming would be on a smaller scale.

Wouldn't matter. Pre civilization societies are always one bad year away from famine. Only civilization can create sufficient food, and then store it up to sustain them through lean years. The transportation system that allows parts of the world having good harvests to transport food to parts suffering drought or famine depends on civilization. You are not going to airlift food supplies to the other side of the world with a donkey and cart.

For most of the history of mankind the gravest problem has been malnourishment and famine. Only in the 20th century have we had such a change that obesity now kills more people world wide than famine. While modern society has its flaws, starvation isn't one of them. Today starvation only happens in failed states. You know the ones where civilization breaks down and people go back to using low tech agriculture.

[GonzoGOP]

Unfortunately, yes. Here's another thing they don't understand. If I am hungry, and I have a weapon, guess who eats, and guess who looks for another tree with low-hanging fruit, or bleeds out, his choice.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.

[handy old one]

“Logic: People would be better off if we just got rid of people.”

True Logic: Nature would be better off if we just got rid of all mankind and everything they have ever accomplished was total gotten rid of so the whole world could live the way it really should!!! SARC///

[tang-soo]

Indians would live in ancient forests all along the Eastern seaboard

If there is no one to call 'em "Indians", are they still "Indians"?