Posted on 02/10/2010 6:51:19 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier
To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.
(Excerpt) Read more at univision.com ...
Do you really think “Deport all illegals” is going to work for anybody?It’s totally unrealistic.
if they’re not going to follow the rules, they need to get out.That is called an amnesty.
Illegals not following the rules have to get out, that is called an amnesty?
Yes, it is obvious by now that any criticism of Sarah Palin, no matter how legitimate, will be met here with a very robust attack.
But, if you really want to see "robust"? Just watch the backlash from the people of this country if you try to keep playing word games with them on this.
Because of this issue more than any other, Sarah Palin's endorsement of John McCain's reelection to the Senate has done her more real political damage than all the unjustified petty personal attacks on her put together.
Wrong. Our party was founded in 2008.
Your opinions are not important.
It seems that you think Obama will be re-elected, is that fair? You are right, Sarah doesn't have to say anything. If she wants to become the "next-Oprah," this is a good stance to take. If she is trying to be a major party and movement leader, she is going to have to face some very direct questions. Questions she has not done a good (from the perspective of those who care about this issue) job of answering.
NOPE.
“Conservatism be damned.”
Wow
Just WOW
How did that sneak through???
If that's so, then I can't for the life of me understand why you choose to oppose Sarah Palin, who is arguably the most Reaganesque political figure we've seen in a generation.
I've read everything you've said about Sarah's stance on illegal immigration on this thread, but in my view, none of it holds water.
She is on record as saying that she is against illegal immigration, and that she believes that we need to shut the border. You, and other anti-Palin posters on this thread have attempted to parse out of her statements a position that is clearly 180 degrees out of sync with what she's said in plain English.
I see it as a sort or reaching and twisting on your part to do this. Stepping back from the noise of the argument, it's plain to see that the anti-Palin crowd are as determined to dislike Palin, as the liberal left is, though they may have very different reasons for doing so.
From my perspective, most of these negative reactions to Sarah Palin are rooted in something other than who and what this woman is, and what she really stands for. Attacks on Sarah from the right and left appear irrational to me, and to millions of others. She's done absolutely nothing to garner such stern criticism and outright derision from any American.
It all smells of a hidden agenda to me. Given the nearly unprecedented positive response she's generated among right-conservative Americans, I suspect that it looks that way to most on our side of the aisle.
Don’t you still work for Keyes?
Ok I found video of the quote. It’s at the end. ALSO OF NOTE: Univision’s founder A. Jerrold Perenchio, is the co-chair of McCain’s Campaign Finance Committee. Perenchio has poured millions of dollars into organizations that support illegal immigrants in California. Palin’s position on illegal immigration at the time couldn’t clash with Isane McCain now could it?
Please click on the following link to read Michelle Malkin’s article on A. Jerrold Perenchio and Univision:
Reagan did pass amnesty. It was one of the worst things he ever did. They said it was for a million illegals, and he bought it, but it ended up being given to three million. The politicos swore this would staunch the flow, but instead, it opened the floodgates. My best guess is that if they now say “12 million,” 30 million plus will avail themselves of our national largesse if they’re given the opportunity. Which will set the stage for the next deluge...
So, while we don’t have any illusions about Reagan, our strong identification with him is primarily because of his personhood pro-life position on abortion, and his peace through strength foreign and national defense policy. Those two critical matters will likely determine whether or not this free republic survives.
As will our policies governing our borders and immigration policy.
LOL. You’re right, just like the old days.
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To: Balding_Eagle
The Obama faction is getting ready to push hard for amnesty. And, as usual, those of us who have fought them off every time they’ve tried it are going to have to spend our energy and time and resources fighting off the phony Republicans at the same time. This thread makes it obvious. Nothing’s changed.
I’m outta here. Nothing left to say.
321 posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:51:49 PM by EternalVigilance
My organization commissioned a poll last year of 1,000 likely voters on immigration issues. One of the findings was that:
"Seventy-eight percent (78%) of likely voters were opposed to legalizing the status of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. with only 19% supporting it. 88% of African-Americans were opposed to legalization."
The other side does not use the "A-word" because they know that the overwhelming majority of Americans are against amnesty, i.e, the legalization of the status of the illegals and allowing them to stay and work here.
Eventually, Palin will have to address the issue. I suspect that when she gets to AZ and campaigns for McCain, the more savvy media there will pin her down. This is going to be the biggest issue between McCain and Hayworth who will announce formally his entry into the race on February 15. Sheriff Arpaio has endorsed JD.
AZ has passed the toughest laws in the country against illegal immigrants and the businesses that hire them. It is also worth noting that in 2006 AZ passed a proposition making English the official language of the state with 75% voting for it. McCain is against making English the official language of the US.
Sorry, but she has not “backed way off.” Don’t be fooled by the use of language. McCain is for securing the borders and is against amnesty. How do you define amnesty?
No. I only ever worked “for” him a couple of times during brief periods when he was running for office, a couple of times in paid positions, sometimes as a volunteer. Otherwise, most of the time we’ve simply shared a common agenda. Stopping the abortion holocaust. Defending traditional marriage. Advocating for tax reform. Defending the RKBA and the rest of the Constitution. Things like that. You know, fighting for conservatism.
The first and most important reason I oppose her is because she shares Ron Paul's pro-choice for states position on abortion. That pernicious doctrine is one of the most destructive fallacies extant in the conservative movement today.
It was a major mistake. It was supposed to be a one-time amnesty and the government estimated that 1 million woiuld apply. The real number turned out to be 2.7 million and it was rife with fraud. We now have 12 to 20 million illegals. Amnesty just attracted more illegals in the hope of a second amnesty.
Ed Meese said it was a mistake.
"There is a practical problem as well: the 1986 act did not solve our illegal immigration problem. From the start, there was widespread document fraud by applicants. Unsurprisingly, the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there proved to be a failure of political will in enforcing new laws against employers."
After a six-month slowdown that followed passage of the legislation, illegal immigration returned to normal levels and continued unabated. Ultimately, some 2.7 million people were granted amnesty, and many who were not stayed anyway, forming the nucleus of today's unauthorized population.
So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal in exchange for promises largely dependent on the will of future Congresses and presidents."
FYI: McCain voted against the 1986 amnesty bill when he was in the House.
I am a third generation native San Diegan, so please know that I personally know the devastation of illegal immigration and I also know about AZ laws and CA’s lack of laws. The San Ysidro border is the nation’s busiest, (in fact, it still might be the world’s busiest) so I’m also well apprised of the myriad of national security problems illegals and NAFTA present.
The fact remians that we’ve has this very debate severla times without adding anything new to the discussion, because there is nothing new to add, so it comes down to beating a dead horse, i.e. Sarah bashing by posters who really don’t like her anyway.
She will address the issue or not address the issue when she sees fit. She’s on her own and doesn’t have to follow the lead of the man on the top of the ticket.
That will come when the economic incentive that is currently there to hire illegal labor is erased by stronger enforcement and substantial penalties.
When the jobs are not available, they will go back home.
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