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Posted on 02/09/2010 3:46:48 AM PST by marktwain
SEATTLE - A guard opened fire during an attempted robbery of an armored truck Sunday morning, critically wounding the suspect as stunned witnesses looked on.
Now Seattle police are questioning both men to see if the shooting was self-defense or something else.
A dozen patrol cars raced to the scene after the shooting at 52nd Street and Rainier Avenue, near the McDonald's restaurant.
According to police and witnesses, the incident began when a heavy-set man approached the armored truck guard outside a local business at about 10:30 a.m.
There was a confrontation between the man and the guard, and at some point the man tried to grab a money bag from the guard, said Seattle police spokeswoman Renee Witt.
(Excerpt) Read more at katu.com ...
Sounds like a robbery to me. hummmm perhaps it was a someone with enhanced citizenship that got shot?
An unarmed robber cannot legally be resisted with deadly force.
The armored guard carried a gun for self defense only and not to protect the cash.
The alleged robber only wanted to borrow the cash.
/sarc/
Interesting case...
If a robber is unarmed, can you shoot him? The threat may be to beat you up, for example, if you don’t give up your cash.
Do you have to respond with an equal level of force? Isn’t that the basic rule, with some exceptions?
What if he says he is armed, but doesn’t show a gun or knife?
What if the robber is a big guy, and the intended victim is a small female? Can she shoot him?
Interesting...
52nd and Ranier is a lovely, DIVERSE neighborhood.
The basic question is “at what point is deadly force justified?” Prosecute this guard under these circumstances and guards cannot legally protect themselves until assaulted or dead. Criminals will soon realize the opportunity.
Amish man just wanted to borrow some money from the bag to grow crops for his family,or maybe some hay for his horse.
Guards are one thing, but what about John Q. Public?
If a person tries to rob you, but is unarmed, can you shoot them? I think the answer is vague...and if you do shoot, you have a real problem on your hands trying to explain why you shot the person, since they are unarmed. Especially if you don’t kill them and they can make up a better story than yours...
Similar to the problem this guard has.
Personally, I think you are nuts for trying to rob a guard or an armed citizen, and you deserve all the extra holes you get.
But in court, it may be a different thing entirely. Every bullet you fire has a lawyer attached.
If you must give up the money to a convenience store robber, doesn’t it logically follow that you must give up the money to an armored car robber? Should armored cars be permitted any way?
Is the bag of money more important than the robbers life?/s
BTTT
Don't know what the local laws are, there. In some places; Texas for example, it is legal to use deadly force to protect property alone. In other places it is highly illegal. The bigger question, IMO, is not whether the would be attacker was armed, but rather did the guard have reason to believe that he was armed and that he was an imminent threat? Did the guy come up with his hand in his pocket and indicate he had a weapon and was willing to use it?
Lots of details missing from the story that would help clarify the situation and the legality of it all.
Life and Liberty are rights but it often appears those rights are on the side of criminals. Consider a small older woman accosted by an unarmed big young man. That woman would lose to physical force yet the legal use of deadly force is often vague and subject to prosecution. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
You bring up a good point - if you’re going to carry, be ready to shoot to kill. Period.
You got it. He was getting his life back together. He aspired to be a rap star.He gave his momma half of what he stole . And last, but not least, he was starting back to school next week.
I used to live a little north of there until about three months ago. This area is called the Rainier Beach neighborhood. Right next to the McDonalds is a stripmall with a Safeway grocery store there. I called it the UnSafeway since a lot of crime goes down in that area. Right next dooor to the Safeway is an apartment complex just loaded with jihadis. There is a possibility that the guy who was shot was a member of the RoP. Or he was simply one of the many diverse thugs who was feeling more entitled that day and attempting to institute his own economic justice program against the evil White Man. He should have called Al not-so-Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
A threat of physical violence is enough to justify shooting the perp. Businesses have more lea way on shooting criminals than do private citizens in their own homes or vehicles(unfortunately for private citizens). The guard cannot let the perp take the money, armed or not, other wise no business would be safe from unarmed criminals waltzing in and taking the loot.
“A threat of physical violence is enough to justify shooting the perp.”
Are you sure that is what the law says, though?
It’s certainly enough to let the perp know that he will be shot if he doesn’t cease...
I certainly believe that it is proper to 1) calmly explain to the potential perp that you have a gun and 2) shoot with deadly accuracy. But not necessarily in that order.
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