Posted on 02/06/2010 10:45:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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I see my face, framed within
Pop's black-framed glasses
And know he's laughing too.
I was intrigued by old Frank, with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes. The visits to his house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn't fully understand. The same thing I felt whenever Gramps took me downtown to one of his favorite bars, in Honolulu's red-light district.
Associated Press Declared Obama Kenyan-Born
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFmYCjEzLk8&feature=related
Kenyan-born US senator “exploring ways” of helping home province
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2399125/posts
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Not a problem. I should have read more and talked less.
Can you just hear them? Ayres and zero, making notes -
...well my boy, if you plan to run for POTUS, there's no way we can let it be known you were born before Hawaii became a State...
BHO goes on, in his book, to describe his feelings about realizing that his mother lusted for Black Men.
What I find true is this:
In Dreams, Gramps speaks so respectfully of his prodigal son-in-law that the whole opening sequence rings false to anyone who knows the larger story. A man, a black man at that, has knocked up Dunham's daughter. Ann and Barack Sr. marry despite reported opposition from both families. The man then abandons wife and child, and the grandfather can only sing his praises to the man's son. This makes no sense at all and would have made even less sense in the racially charged 1960s.
And Africans were exotic.
They probably passed him off as an African prince, coming to America.
Kudos for that observation.
'Dreams' is a book written to establish certain things in our minds. That Black Orpheus reference provides a year. Nothing more, nothing less. We do NOT know if she EVER SAW THAT FILM! It's simply a dating device.
One of our researchers, I think it was on the original Long Thread, established that the film was showing in Chicago in late 1959-60. Maybe we should check that again.
What I am trying to point out is, her statement that she 'was only sixteen then' - AT THE TIME THAT WAS WRITTEN - no one had seen her Social Security Application showing her birthdate.
NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR AN OFFICIAL RECORD OF HER BIRTH DATE.
If the date on the SS Application is correct, (if it's not a fake) then that is the ONLY birth date we have.
She also is quoted as saying she was accepted to attend the University of Chicago. So it must have been the year she graduated, right?
Her Uncle, Charles T Payne, was Deputy Director of the Library at the University of Chicago. He was still there when zero taught Law there, many years later.
So a birth year of 1942 plus 16 in Chicago makes the year 1958. Bill Ayres slipped up. He can't have it both ways.
Great point Fred!
“...How could this woman have known so much back then...”
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4mwQAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5osDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6655,2037468&dq=roman-obama
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2344042/posts
Short answer: Because there’s a connection between the obama at the Lumumba University in Moscow in 1992 and the Tom Fife story, also from 1992.
Could that be right, Fred?
I think there’s plenty of evidence that shows Obama Senior arrived in June 1959.
I never bothered to follow where he lived. I was under the impression he was at the YMCA for a time.
>>”...no way we can let it be known you were born before Hawaii became a State... “
Precisely.
Thanks, Fred.
Someday all the dots will be connected.
thanks, it only hit me recently, ‘Dreams’ has penetrated the subconscious to the extent there are FREEPERS who still believe there is SOME truth in it!
Good Lord!
Just because O Sr MIGHT HAVE lodged an application to register a birth in Hawaii in April 1961, using an address at the rear of the house the Dunhams were RENTING, because his GIRLFRIEND OR WIFE ANN OBAMA was living there, doesn’t mean zero was born IN 1961!
AND IT DOESN’T PROVE STANLEY ANN DUNHAM WAS IN HAWAII. EVER!
We have to start thinking outside of that straightjacket that DREAMS has become!
That is totally irrelevant to the point of your question.
This makes her a single mother by anyones definition, whether or not the legal niceties of a divorce were observed immediately.
That has been firmly established to have occurred when Barry was 18 months old.
Michelle Obama is playing fast and loose with the timelime by saying when she had him, of course.
That is entirely an assumption on your part.
I might note that she wasn't present and therefore has no personal knowledge of the truth of what she was saying.
She's married to the slug. That puts her in a better position to know what he says is the case than almost anyone else could be.
Remember the popular leftist meme May the Mother of Jesus was a single mother. Not true, but they will try to get away with the slander.
If you want to compare Barry's life with Jesus' life, knock yourself out. I guess you aren't the first one.
As for the legend, once you call something a legend you pretty much are saying, hey, I have no idea whether this is true or not.
Obviously you didn't read the rest of the info at the link. It was made clear there and in the article posted for this thread that many competing stories are circulating to the point that nothing certain can be said about when and where Barry was born, to whom exactly and by what father. Nor is Stanley Ann Dunham's marriage to Barack Obama Sr. certain in date or fact.
The one thing that is consistent in all of those stories is that she was pregnant before she was married. That isn't in question and answers your question.
I read your home page. Your information is old and incomplete. Just keep in mind this: a person doesn’t spend a small fortune hiding his past, his official records, and who he really is unless he has something drastic to hide.
1. Hawaii’s Department of Health has refused to corroborate the authenticity of the Certification of Live Birth documents posted online.
There is good reason for that. Obama amended his original birth certificate in the past (the DOH admitted that in response to a email query). All COLBs printed out must (according to the department’s own procedures) be stamped “AMENDED”. The COLBs posted online are not stamped and are fraudulent. Nevertheless the DOH hasn’t made a move to charge anyone with a felony for counterfeiting government documents.
As Rahm Emmanuel said, “We Democrats own Hawaii”.
2. As for Hawaii declaring Obama born there:
In correspondence with The Post & Email, Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, has made it clear that her office will not corroborate or back in any way the July 27, 2009 Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, which declared Obama Hawaiian-born and a natural-born American citizen.
Go see for yourself:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/02/hi-attorney-generals-office-refuses-to-corroborate-obamas-hi-birth/
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I am not some crazy believer in conspiracies. It has been my practice for decades - yeah, I’m old! - to do research on the backgrounds of all presidential candidates.
This past national election there were three candidates who made it onto state ballots who were definitely ineligible:
-Senator John McCain - born in a public hospital in the city of Colon, Panama, to U.S. citizens. He is a U.S. citizen by statute and not a Natural Born Citizen. (The Navy hospital wouldn’t be built until 3-years after his birth. Doesn’t matter, though; Panama was never a U.S. territory.)
-Barack H. Obama II - father a British subject in 1961. He registered his son as a British subject. In order to change that citizenship one must naturalize as the citizen of another nation. His actual citizenship is in question and he is not a Natural Born Citizen.
-Roger Calera - born in Nicaraugua. Not a Natural Born Citizen.
Someone once said "Actors are good liars, but writers are good liars with good memories."(because they write it down)
I think DREAMS was an effort to write all the lies of O's life down so he wouldn't have to remember them and then destroy any paper work that would shed light on his true life.
As I said, if the Soviets could do this they could have made socialism work. What the H___, they would have won the cold war by 1950.
That's the best explanation I have yet heard. And the other clever tactic: Place everything into the mouth of others. He never tells us anything himself, it can all be explained away by 'that's what they told me' - the only time he speaks in his own voice is when Ayres gives rein to his musings and metaphores.
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