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Civil Rights Equals Detainment?! So Says the Federal Court
Gun Owners Action League ^ | 1/10/10

Posted on 02/06/2010 12:48:17 PM PST by pabianice

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“Every time anybody’s at a chicken place and somebody pulls out a handgun we’ll have bullets flying in 16 different directions and its mutual destruction and we’re really two seconds away from gun firing breaking out. I’m really, really, really bothered by that.”

Clinton appointee Judge Michael A. Ponsor

1 posted on 02/06/2010 12:48:17 PM PST by pabianice
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Hey, judgey, I’m really bothered by your racist reference to troubles at a “chicken place”. Leftist racist a—hole.


2 posted on 02/06/2010 12:57:18 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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“Every time anybody’s at a chicken place and somebody pulls out a handgun we’ll have bullets flying in 16 different directions and its mutual destruction and we’re really two seconds away from gun firing breaking out. I’m really, really, really bothered by that.”

Gotta stay away from them there chicken places. Everyone draws a gun. And how many chicken places have gun drawings, say last year?

3 posted on 02/06/2010 1:01:18 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS ... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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somebody pulls out a handgun we’ll have bullets flying in 16 different directions

That is the dumbazz statement ever. One gun drawn against a robber may save 16 lives, too.

4 posted on 02/06/2010 1:04:16 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS ... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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Massachusetts is a socialist totalitarian authoritarian state the regularly and consistently violates the constitutional rights of American citizens.

It is going to take fifty years to undo the leftists ideals in Massachusetts. We need to start this year!

Remember in November and in 2012.

5 posted on 02/06/2010 1:06:08 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

Ponsor is a Magnum cum Lawdy graduate of the Chrissy Mathews Skule of Judgin’ N’ Stuff.


6 posted on 02/06/2010 1:09:16 PM PST by Dick Bachert (DIPLOMACY: THE ABILITY TO SAY "NICE DOGGY" WHILE GROPING FOR A LARGE ROCK.)
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Judge Michael A. Ponsor “I guess my question is what is a middle aged guy with a suit carrying a briefcase doing packing a handgun and walking around downtown Springfield?

Best case scenario in a constitutional republic via states rights via the 2nd amendment response would be "none of your damn business employee of mine".

7 posted on 02/06/2010 1:16:27 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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And how many chicken places have gun drawings, say last year?

Well this one was this year, and everyone on that side of town was soooo mad, cause these guys were contributing to the "stereotype" shots fired after MLK March

8 posted on 02/06/2010 1:18:15 PM PST by sockmonkey
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Given that, since the evidence implies that numerous times every day, several people are standing around dozens of "chicken places" with guns on their person, yet we never hear of numerous (or even any!) reported incidents of melées with "bullets flying from 16 different directions," as the "Judge" in this case asserts, it seems probable that that which has this poor robed fellow "really, really, really bothered" is nothing more than a perverse figment of his overwrought imagination and an exceptionally poor sense of logical deductive capability.

Neither are likely listed on the resumés of people waiting for judicial appointments, nor should they be.

Further, if once thus appointed, a Judge displays a penchant for this type of wanton excursion into sheer and unbidden fantasy concerning firearms and crowded public dining facilities, he should be permanently removed from the bench and remanded to the professional care of a State mental institution for observation until it can be clinically demostrated that these violent fantasies currently pose no threat to himself or the people of the Commonwealth, and that neither are they likely to so threaten in the future.

In breif, the man is an idiot who should be under professional care and possible brainwave suppressing medication, not sitting on the bench in a courtroom making decisions which require clear, unprejudiced thought processes and a thorough understanding of all applicable Statutes.

God help us. It's human filth like this which necessitated the writing of the 2nd Amendment in the 1st place.

IMHO

;-/

9 posted on 02/06/2010 1:20:39 PM PST by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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It's also why nobody will ever see or detect my concealed carry unless it becomes necessary for me to intentionally present it, and even then, they won't see it for very long.

;-)

10 posted on 02/06/2010 1:25:56 PM PST by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: EGPWS
Best case scenario in a constitutional republic via states rights via the 2nd amendment response would be "none of your damn business former employee of mine".

Fixed that.

11 posted on 02/06/2010 1:27:03 PM PST by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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Let a govt have the power to issue a license, don’t be surprised if its employees feel entitled to demand to see it. One could call this the Papiere Bitte rule.


12 posted on 02/06/2010 1:31:19 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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“Every time anybody’s at a chicken place and somebody pulls out a handgun we’ll have bullets flying in 16 different directions and its mutual destruction and we’re really two seconds away from gun firing breaking out. I’m really, really, really bothered by that.”

Employers can legally ban their workers from bringing firearms to the job site.

13 posted on 02/06/2010 1:53:34 PM PST by Isabel C.
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“I’m really appalled to hear that that many people are carrying guns.””
This judge is a typically leftist thug who uses his personal feelings to MAKE law.
He should be immediately impeached as he has provem, by his comments and subsequent decision, to be unfit for the position.


14 posted on 02/06/2010 2:09:20 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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Well this one was this year, and everyone on that side of town was soooo mad, cause these guys were contributing to the "stereotype" shots fired after MLK March

Here's a story I posted. You have to read the comments at the source. You don't have to register to post the comments. Some are pretty darn funny.

4 teens injured in shootings (New Haven, CT)

15 posted on 02/06/2010 2:33:43 PM PST by raybbr
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Whatever happened to search and seizures in Mass?

CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS:
“Article XIV. Every subject has a right to be secure from all unreasonable searches, and seizures, of his person, his houses, his papers, and all his possessions. All warrants, therefore, are contrary to this right, if the cause or foundation of them be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order in the warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons, or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure: and no warrant ought to be issued but in cases, and with the formalities prescribed by the laws. “
http://www.mass.gov/legis/const.htm

Did the officer have a court issued warrant to not only search this man for a firearm but seize from him that weapon?

You can’t just take someone’s property because you THINK they don’t have the legal right to carry it.

This is to say nothing of this clause of the CONSTITUTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS:
“Article XVII. The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it. “
http://www.mass.gov/legis/const.htm

What is wrong with this state.. they don’t even follow their own laws. Perhaps they no longer possess a Republican form of government? ...

As one of Massachusetts founders and authors of their Constitution John Adams said:
“They define a republic to be a government of laws, and not of men.” - John Adams, Nocangul No. 7, 1775

We should make this a federal issue and bring down the eyes of the Federation upon the little commonwealth of Massachusetts, on the question of whether or not they still have a republican form of government as is required by the U.S. Constitution.


16 posted on 02/06/2010 2:46:40 PM PST by Monorprise
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Even though I believe that Judge Michael Ponsor is a nutt job, I do agree that a police officer has the right to question someone carrying a fire arm. If that person has a valid LTC, that person should not be detained. I do not see anything wrong here. The judge's ruling was proper.
17 posted on 02/06/2010 2:56:52 PM PST by Nosterrex
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For those of you unaware of the legal procedure in Massachusetts ...

In order to own, purchase or possess a “long gun” such a a rifle or shotgun (or pepper spray!) or ammunition for same you must apply to your local police department for a Firearms ID.

To own, purchase or possess a handgun or ammunition, you must apply to the local constabulary for a License to Carry, aka “pistol permit.”

Some police chiefs are cool about firearms, while others are frosty cold. The chief has lots of discretion in his town. The first time I applied for a License to Carry in my home town, the sergeant in charge of licensing said, “Do you belong to a sportsmen’s club?” Answer: no. “Then come back when you.” The only way I got my permit was because my boss was the sergeant’s brother-in-law, and he called the sergeant and reamed him out.

I’ve been told that you can take a denial to the Clerk Magistrate and they’ll call in the chief of police to explain exactly WHY you can’t have a permit, but I’ve never tried that procedure nor heard of anyone who has, although I’m sure it wouldn’t make you any friends down at the stationhouse.

My “permit” is a Class A “large capacity” version but I don’t know what other options there are. My permit was issued with no restrictions but I’m told our new police chief in town only grants permits for “target practice only.”

Oh, and the permit, good for 6 years, costs $100. I hear a lot of towns require proof that you have attended a certified firearms safety course.

Also, the only handguns that can be sold in Massachusetts are those approved by the state, and last time I looked Kimber wasn’t on the list. (And I love the Kimber .45!)

So this is the legal crap gun owners have to suffer through in Massachusetts.


18 posted on 02/06/2010 3:29:32 PM PST by DNME (Remember, we are still under a state of national emergency for H1N1! Remain vigilant!)
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"...we’ll have bullets flying in 16 different directions .."

Not to be a nitpicking grammarian, but is it actually possible for a bullet to ricochet 16 times thereby changing its direction each time???....

Hmmmm! 10-rnd clips in each of just four hip-pocket customer guns...Shooting starts....Each bullet ends up traveling in 16 directions...The chicken place is suddenly filled with a veritable cloud of gunfire with ammo zinging around in a total of over 600 lines-of-fire...

Going to awfully tough to survive in there...

/sarc

19 posted on 02/06/2010 4:15:56 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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United States (SCOTUS) Case not only ruled against the Second Amendment, but also the First.

“The first amendment to the Constitution prohibits Congress from abridging 'the right of the people to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.' This, like the other amendments proposed and adopted at the same time, was not intended to limit the powers of the State governments in respect to their own citizens, but to operate upon the National government alone.”

But the First Amendment specifically designates the Congress is prohibited. The Second Amendment broadly states that the right ... shall not be abridged. "By anybody" is obviously implied.

20 posted on 02/06/2010 4:40:17 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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