Posted on 02/05/2010 3:38:08 AM PST by Man50D
Tennessee state Senate speaker and gubernatorial candidate Ron Ramsey has joined the growing ranks of officials and prominent commentators who say they are unsure of whether President Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen.
Ramsey was asked Feb. 2 about the issue by Maclin Davis, a former state lawmaker and attorney for the state GOP, the Associated Press reported.
"I don't know whether President Obama is a citizen of the United States or not," Ramsey responded. "I don't know what the whole deal is there."
However, Ramsey added that he doesn't believe citizens are concerned about Obama's citizenship status.
"But I'm going to tell you something," he said. "When you walk out on the street down here, people don't really care about this issue."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I am afraid were not talking about a parking ticket. We are talking about abiding by the document that gave us the greatest nation in the history of the world.
“Basically, what the birthers are asking is for Obama to turn over his documents to some kind of tribunal and then force them to decide if he is eligible or not.”
He is a citizen, but that’s a world away from being a natural born citizen.
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That’s a distinction many miss, including the first sentence in the article posted. I suspect he is a citizen, but who knows. Maybe not...
Well....Without documentation how can anyone say he was born in Hawaii or in the United States? They can't.
Unlike other modern presidents Obama’s early years are not self-evident. Since he can not ( and has not) produced anyone who can remember him and the circumstances of his mother's pregnancy, birth, delivery, days in the hospital, christening, or visits to the home soon after his birth, it is rational and prudent that citizens ask him for documentation regarding his natural born status.
An honest man would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with the highest standard of evidence available that he a natural born citizen and eligible to president.
Think about this. There are many, many people in my life ( work, family, friends, and even some close relatives and in-laws) that I seriously could **not** testify in court that they were natural born citizens. I couldn't because I haven't seen any documentation, and I know no one from their early baby years. Perhaps this is why most Americans at various times of their lives must prove their identity with a certified, valid, and verifiable long form birth certificate and sometimes other documents as well.
It is right and morally justifiable that citizens pursue every legal, social, political, and public relations measure to see that the person occupying the position of president is Constitutionally eligible and a natural born citizen.
Just as I don't know if all of my neighbors are natural born citizens, very few people in this nation know if Obama is a natural born citizen either.
Usual government practice is to have ONE “paper of record” in which legal notices are published.
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I have read that the two papers in Hawaii were owned by the same company.
I have lived in two cities where this was the case. The newspaper names were different. One was distributed in the morning the other in the afternoon.
Why would he use DOJ attorneys to prevent answering some simple questions about his life that we ( the unwashed proletariat) must produce at various times in our lives?
Why would he use tax dollars and tax funded attorneys to do this?
Well, logic would dictate he is hiding the truth.
It really is **not** the “same old same old”.
Why? It isn't because we have the Internet.
It is **AMAZING** to met that nearly 60% of Republicans either do not believe that Obama was born in the U.S. or have serious questions about his eligibility.
Despite the Marxist media and conservative media blackout nearly **60%** of Republicans not only know about the issue but have an opinion about it. One poll I read ( from July) stated that 30% of the general population does not believe that Obama was born in the U.S. ( That would be higher if those who question his eligibility were added.)
These are critical mass numbers that the Dems can't ignore.
Americans know about the issue because they have read it on the Internet and by word of mouth. Politicians ( Repubs and Dems alike) can not go anywhere near their constituents without being peppered by questions about Obama’s eligibility.
Conservatives are upright, honest, and straightforward in their dealings with their fellow man.
I would think that one of the necessities of an intelligence agency is to be devious, lying, and willing to use illegal and covert means.
Is a “duh” necessary?
You got it. The grapevine is more powerful than the state controlled MSM. It is old to me since I knew about it a long time ago. I am amazed he got elected. Enter McCain the enabler. McCain has got to go.
Why? No court has asked for one.
Even if he *was* born in the US, just as he says, there's a problem. Natural Born citizen requires citizen parents
His father was a visiting legal alien, not even a permanent resident. He was just here on a student visa. Assuming he's not lying about who his father was.
Not quite, there were no "short forms" in 1961. There were ways to file a "long form" certificate, some legit, in the sense of being within the law, some not, for someone not born in Hawaii, or the US.
The most popular is probably to file a "home birth". No doctor, no hospital, and a realative or friend of a relative to sign as "witness". It's even possible that a relative could have provided the information, rather than the usual mother, with a "friend" signing as witness.
Reportedly, in '61 they didn't even ask for proof there was a baby, let alone of where the baby was born.
The statement was that he was born in Hawaii.
Really? Then produce the birth cerificate. Why fight disclosure with tax dollar paid for DOJ attorneys?
No, but they have more assets that they can risk. Plus they could have better access to foreign records.
Only if born abroad. Born in the US, he's a citizen via the 14th amendment. But since his father was not a citizen at the time, or ever, he's not a Natural Born citizen, which requires citizen parents. Not evem if he was born on a boat at the entrance to Pearl Harbor.
Wrong Oh. It doesn't matter what was intended, the law is what it is.
It's in 8 USC 1401:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:
That's the current law, but in 1961 those criteria were 10 year total and 5 years after the 14th birthday.
If born abroad, and never naturalized, BHO Jr, is not a citizen at all.
But if born abroad, even if his mother qualified, he'd not be natural born, since it took a statute to make him a citizen.
But even born on Diamond Head itself, he'd not be a natural born citizne, because his father was no kind of citizen at all.
American citizen have asked. That should be enough.
An honest man would be **HONORED** to promptly prove with all of the very best evidence available that he was a natural born citizen and eligible to president and Commander in Chief of our Troops.
Liars and frauds fight it before judges using tax dollars and public servant DOJ attorneys. Sensible Americans understand that very simple concept. Why? Because the American people are not stupid!
There is more to this than just courts. Public opinion will take its toll and the numbers of those who do not believe Obama is eligible ( or who have doubts) is now well past critical mass. This even includes Democrats. A politician can not go anywhere in public in his state or district without being peppered with questions about Obama’s eligibility.
That the number of people who believe Obama was not born in the U.S. or who have doubts have gown to be unmanageable is the impetus for the DNC memo this week, and Obama’s comment about his citizenship yesterday. ( Probably the HI attorney general’s refusal to back up Fukino may have added fuel to the eligibility fire as well.)
It is amazing to me that 60% of Republicans either do not believe Obama was born in the U.S. or have serious questions about his eligibility. A poll last July showed that 30% of the general population do not believe Obama was born in the U.S. Those numbers would be higher today and especially if those with doubts were added to the total.
That so many Americans know about Obama’s eligibility and have formed an opinion is entirely due to the Internet and word of mouth. ( It's a Communications New World out there!)
THANK YOU INTERNET! THANK YOU CONSERVATIVES FOR SPREADING THE NEWS ABOUT OBAMA'S ELIGIBILITY!!!!
( Yes! I am gleefully shouting!)
Most likely. But notice that they don't say where the birth occurred, nor do they even name the child. Plus someone is making the assumption that the parents are married, since their is no indication of that on the Hawaii Birth Certificate of 1961. Since it was possible to get such certificate for a child not born in Hawaii, the announcements prove nothing. Other than their was certificate filed, but nothing about what was on it beyond father's name, and mother's address.
I think they just supplied a tabular list, or allowed the papers to copy the information from their list. Birth announcements, at least those with so little information, not even the mother's name, are not formal legal notices.
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