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Can America Survive Evolutionary Humanism?
Conservative Underground ^ | 2 February 2010 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 02/04/2010 2:42:12 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

In addition to original Darwinism, today there are two other versions of evolutionary theory: punctuated equilibrium and neo- Darwinism, a revamped version of the original Darwinism. No matter the variant though, evolution serves as the creation myth for the theological and philosophical worldview of Evolutionary Humanism (Naturalism).

“Evolution is a religion,” declared evolutionary Humanist Michael Ruse. “This was true of evolution in the beginning and it is true still today…One of the most popular books of the era was ‘Religion Without Revelation,’ by Julian Huxley, grandson of Thomas Huxley...As always evolution was doing everything expected of religion and more.” (National Post, Canadian Edition, 5/13/2000)

“Humanism is a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view.” (Paul Kurtz, Humanist Manifestos I & II, Introduction)

The primary denominations of Evolutionary Humanism are Cultural Marxism/Communism, Secular Humanism, Postmodernism, and Spiritual Communism. The offshoots of these are among others, New Age/green environmentalism/Gaia, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, multiculturalism, and atheism. Individually and collectively, these are modernized versions of pre-Biblical naturalism (paganism).

All worldviews begin with a religious declaration. The Biblical worldview begins with, “In the beginning God...” Cosmic Humanism begins, “In the beginning Divine Matter.” Communism, Postmodernism, and Secular Humanism begin with, “In the beginning Matter.” Matter is all there is, and it not only thinks, but is Divine:

“...matter itself continually attains to higher perfection under its own power, thanks to indwelling dialectic.…the dialectical materialist's attribution of ‘dialectic’ to matter confers on it, not mental attributes only, but even divine ones.” (Gustav A. Wetter, Dialectical Materialism, p. 58)

In explicitly religious language, the following religionists offer all praise, honor, and glory to their Creator:

“We may regard the material and cosmic world as the supreme being, as the cause of all causes, as the creator of heaven and earth.” (Vladimir Lenin quoted in Communism versus Creation, Francis Nigel Lee, p. 28)

“The Cosmos is all that is or ever will be.” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos, p. 4)

Evolutionary Humanism has demonstrated itself to be an extremely dangerous worldview. In just the first eighty-seven years of the twentieth century, the evolutionist project of radically transforming the world and mankind through the power of evolutionism has led to the extermination of between 100-170 million ‘subhuman’ men, women, and children.

Deadly Problems

First, in order that materialist ethics be consistent with the idea that life evolved by chance and continues to evolve over time, ethics must be built on human social instincts that are in a continuous process of change over evolutionary time. This view demolishes both moral ethics and social taboos, thereby liberating man to do as he pleases. Over time this results in a lawless climate haunted by bullies, predators, despots, psychopaths, and other unsavory elements.

Perhaps Darwin could not envision the evil unleashed by his ideas. Nonetheless, he did have some inkling, for he wrote in his Autobiography that one who rejects God,

“...can have for his rule of life...those impulses and instincts which are strongest or…seem to him the best ones.” (Tom DeRosa, Fatal Fruit, p.7)

Humanist Max Hocutt realizes that materialist ethics are hugely problematical, but offers no solution. An absolute moral code cannot exist without God, however God does not exist, says Hocutt. Therefore,

“...if there were a morality written up in the sky somewhere but no God to enforce it, I see no reason why we should obey it. Human beings may, and do, make up their own rules.” (David Noebel, Understanding the Times, pp. 138-139)

Jeffrey Dahmer, a psychopath who cannibalized his victims, acted on Darwin’s advice. In an interview he said,

“If a person doesn’t think there is a God to be accountable to, then…what is the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That’s how I thought…I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all just came from the slime.” (Dahmer in an interview with Stone Phillips, Dateline NBC, 11/29/1994)

With clearly religious overtones, atheist philosopher Bertrand Russell summarizes the amoral materialist ethic:

“Blind to good and evil, reckless of destruction, omnipotent matter rolls on its relentless way.” (“Why I am not a Christian and Other Essays on Religion and Related Subjects,” p. 115)

Next, materialist epistemology and metaphysics dispossesses man of soul, free will, conscience, mind, and reason, thereby dehumanizing (animalizing) man and totally destroying not only the worth, dignity, and meaning of human life, but the possibility of freedom. The essence of this annihilation is captured in the following quotes:

Man is “but fish made over...” declared biologist William Etkin (Greg L. Bahnsen, Pushing the Antithesis, p. 224). And his life is but a “partial, continuous, progressive, multiform and continually interactive, self-realization of the potentialities of atomic electron states,” explained J.D. Bernal (1901-1971), past Professor of Physics at the University of London (The Origin of Life, p. xv). Furthermore, “The universe cares nothing for us,” trumpets William Provine, Cornell University Professor of Biology, “and we have no ultimate meaning in life.” (“Scientists, Face It! Science and Religion Are Incompatible,” The Scientist, Sept. 1988)

Man... “must be degraded from a spiritual being to an animalistic pattern. He must think of himself as an animal, capable of only animalistic reactions. He must no longer think of himself…as capable of ‘spiritual endurance,’ or nobility.” By animalizing man his “state of mind…can be ordered and enslaved.” (“Degradation and Shock,” Russian Textbook on Psychopolitics, Chapter viii)

Finally, Evolutionary Humanism posits the notion that despite the fact that man is “but fish made over…” there are in fact, some exceptions to this rule. For it happens - by chance of course - that some lucky “species” and “races” of the human animal are more highly evolved (superior) and therefore enlightened than the others, who are - unluckily for them - less evolved and as a consequence, subhuman. Paired to this view is the idea that if a species or race does not continue to evolve (progress up the evolutionary ladder), it will become extinct. Together, these ideas lead logically to the deadly conclusion that in order to preserve the fittest of the species - or the spiritually evolved, as is the case with Spiritual Communism - it is morally incumbent upon the superior to replace (via the science of eugenics and population control) and/or liquidate the subhumans. In his book, The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex, Charles Darwin foresaw this eventuality:

“At some future period...the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world...the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated.” (Descent, 2nd ed., p. 183)

In practice, the materialist worldview is a hellish recipe for catastrophe, as was amply demonstrated by the 20th century’s two most blood-soaked political movements - pagan Nazism and atheist Communism. Both rejected God, and both were animated by Darwinism.

Nazi Germany

Hitler’s murderous philosophy was built on Darwinian evolution and preservation of favored species. In his book Evolution and Ethics, British evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith notes,

“The leader of Germany is an evolutionist not only in theory, but, as millions know to their cost, in the rigor of its practice.” (p.230)

It was Darwinism that inspired Hitler to try to create - by way of eugenics - a superior race, the Aryan Man. In pursuit of his ambition, Hitler eliminated what he considered were inferior human animals, among which were for example, Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, and Christians.

Evolutionism in Nazi Germany resulted in gas chambers, ovens, and the liquidation of eleven million “useless eaters” and other undesirables. Evolutionist Niles Eldridge, author of Darwin: Discovering the Tree of Life, reluctantly concurs. Darwin’s theory, he acknowledges,

“...has given us the eugenics movement and some of its darker outgrowths, such as the genocidal practices of the Nazis.” (p. 13)

The Soviet Union

Even though Karl Marx wrote his Communist Manifesto before Darwin published his “On the Species,” the roots of Communism are nonetheless found in Darwinism. Karl Marx wrote Fredrich Engels that Darwin’s Origin,

“...is the book which contains the basis in natural science for our view.” (Conway Zirkle, Marxian Biology and the Social Scene)

Stephane Courtois, one of the authors of The Black Book of Communism, relates that,

“In Communism there exists a sociopolitical eugenics, a form of Social Darwinism.” (p. 752)

Vladimir Lenin exulted that,

“Darwin put an end to the belief that the animal and vegetable species bear no relation to one another (and) that they were created by God, and hence immutable.” (Tom DeRosa, Fatal Fruit, p. 9)

Lenin exercised godlike power over life and death. He saw himself as, “the master of the knowledge of the evolution of social species.” It was Lenin who “decided who should disappear by virtue of having been condemned to the dustbin of history.” From the moment Lenin made the “scientific” decision that the bourgeoisie represented a stage of humanity that evolution had surpassed, “its liquidation as a class and the liquidation of the individuals who actually or supposedly belonged to it could be justified.” (The Black Book of Communism, p. 752)

Alain Brossat draws the following conclusions about the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, and the ties that bind them:

“The ‘liquidation’ of the Muscovite executioners, a close relative of the ‘treatment’ carried out by Nazi assassins, is a linguistic microcosm of an irreparable mental and cultural catastrophe that was in full view on the Soviet Stage. The value of human life collapsed, and thinking in categories replaced ethical thought…In the discourse and practice of the Nazi exterminators, the animalization of Other…was closely linked to the ideology of race. It was conceived in the implacably hierarchical racial terms of “subhumans” and “supermen”…but in Moscow in 1937, what mattered…was the total animalization of the Other, so that a policy under which absolutely anything was possible could come into practice.” (ibid., p. 751)

21st Century America

Ronald Reagan loved God and America. America he said is, “the moral force that defeated communism and all those who would put the human soul into bondage.” (Republican National Convention, Houston, Texas, 8/17/1992)

Even though he was optimistic about America’s future he nevertheless cautioned that America must maintain her reliance on God and her commitment to righteousness and morality. He liked quoting Alexis de Tocqueville’s insightful analysis of the source of America’s greatness:

“Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret and genius of her power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” (Michael Reagan, In the Words of Ronald Reagan)

As America moves into the 21st century, we have yet to admit a shameful, dark secret. Evolutionism…the creation myth, that empowered Nazism and Communism, is being taught to America’s youth in our governmentcontrolled schools. The animalization of Americans is well advanced and coupled to a corresponding slow collapse of human worth. Already we hear of human life spoken of in dehumanizing categories such as “vegetable,” “non-persons,” and “uterine content.”

Ominously, Evolutionary Humanism has also outstripped Judeo-Christian precepts in our universities, judiciary, federal bureaucracy, corporations, medicine, law, psychology, sociology, entertainment, news media and halls of Congress. As Biocentrism, it fuels the nonhuman animal rights project, the gay rights movement, radical feminism, and the increasingly powerful and influential green environmentalist program, which demands that America submit to the draconian mandates of the Kyoto Treaty.

America, the “moral force that defeated communism” is on the verge of completely rejecting God, the natural order, and moral absolutes and instead, embracing the godless religion of evolution, amorality, and the unnatural.

Evolutionary Humanism is the most dangerous delusion thus far in history. It begins with the “animalization of Other,” in tandem with the elevation of the “superior,” for whom this serves as a license to make up their own rules, abuse power, and force their will onto the citizens. This is accompanied by a downward spiraling process that pathologizes the natural order, moral ethics, virtue, and social taboos while simultaneously elevating narcissism, tyranny, cruelty, nihilism, confusion, perversion, sadism, theft, and lying to positions of politically correct “new morality,” which is then enforced through sensitivity training, speech codes, hate crime laws, and other intimidation tactics. If not stopped, as history warns us, this rapidly escalating downward process leads inevitably to totalitarianism, enslavement, and eventually mass murder.

In a portent of things to come,

evolutionist B.F. Skinner said: “A scientific analysis of behavior dispossesses autonomous man and turns the control he has been said to exert over to the environment. The individual...is henceforth to be controlled...in large part by other men.” (David Noebel, Understanding the Times, p. 232)


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To: EnderWiggins
Oh, I guess I should address Matthew 7:16 since you mentioned it, here is Matthew 7:15-23 from the NIV translation (please excuse the lousy formatting):

"Beware of the (L)false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are (M)ravenous wolves. 16"You will (N)know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17"So (O)every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19"(P)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20"So then, you will know them (Q)by their fruits. 21"(R)Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"(S)Many will say to Me on (T)that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; (U)DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

The emphasis added at the end is not mine. I just copied from Biblegateway.com.

Seems he was talking about people who called him "Lord, Lord" and who performed miracles in his name. People pretending to be Christian who really were not.

He gave a way for us to recognize the phony Christians. And you have identified it in those you have been choosing to call "Church Fathers". Certainly anyone who persecutes Jews is not following the will of the Father as Jesus taught it.

61 posted on 02/11/2010 9:20:52 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"You are using the word "portrayal" to mean two distinct things. Do you not see this?"

No. I do not. Please elaborate.
62 posted on 02/11/2010 10:45:08 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

I elaborated in post 60, guess you haven’t read it yet.


63 posted on 02/11/2010 10:48:13 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EnderWiggins

Make that both 50 and 60. Did you read either post?


64 posted on 02/11/2010 10:50:36 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"Doesn't pan out does it? It sounds like you are trying to blame information morally. Sounds pretty stupid really."

Of course it doesn't. That is probably why I did not use the word "information." I am not equivocating, and I am not blaming some morally neutral, rhetoric free "information." I am blaming the Gospels for their intentional portrayal of the Jews.

Now... a moral relativist here (which I know you believe you are not) would frame this as a discussion of "ought" vs. "is." They would try and wash any moral culpability off the hands of the authors of the Gospels by asserting, "Hey. They were just reporting the facts, ma'am. That's not how it ought to have been, but simply how it really was. The Jews really were responsible for the killing of Christ after all. It's not the New Testament's fault that later generations of Christians would see that as a good reason to murder Jews."

And you know what? Such an argument might hold up were it not for two problems:

The first of these is that it cannot be taken seriously as a true account of the events surrounding the execution of Jesus. Crucifixion was a Roman sentence, imposed by Romans for violations of Roman law. It was imposed exclusively in two instances: as the preferred method of execution for slaves, or as punishment for sedition against Rome. The entire account of multiple trials in front of Jewish authorities and Pontius Pilates eventually "washing his hands" is historically absurd. We could spend entire other threads dissecting the social and political reasons for the Evangelist's mischaracterization of the relative culpability of the Romans vs. the Jews in the execution of Jesus, but I will let it rest with my conclusion, and you can take it or leave it. The "information" of which you speak is not true. It is a deliberate reflection of the personal anti-Semitism of the authors of the Gospels, and it is designed for specific rhetorical purposes.

The second problem is that if you believe that the Gospels actually are Divine Revelation and not the ordinary product of human artifice, then you must conclude (based on what I believe is your conception of God, correct me if I am wrong) that the subsequent history of Christian anti-Semitism was an intended consequence of the revelation. Such a conclusion is, frankly, the one that was unashamedly reached by so many of the Church fathers. They were not as shy as we are in our own politically correct zeitgeist to connect the dots that you find so uncomfortable to acknowledge. They wore their prejudice on their sleeves as a badge of devotion to Christ.

But in that instance, anti-Semitism could not considered immoral at all. If moral rules are delivered by God, then they are ultimately arbitrary. What God says goes, and we cannot question His decisions. And (you know this to be true) notorious anti-Semites such as Justin Martyr, Origen of Alexandria, John Chrysostom and Martin Luther were absolutely convinced that their anti-semitism was not merely moral, but actually good.

You tried to blame the Holocaust on "naturalistic moral systems" in general, "Darwinism" in particular. But I think it's pretty clear that, whatever the ultimate origin, Hitler's anti-Semitism did not arise spontaneously as a personal innovation of Hitler himself. It was instead an extension of ordinary and pandemic European ant-Semitism that preexisted his birth by two millennia and had been conducted all that time explicitly in a Christian framework as an integral part of Christian belief.

You have repeatedly tried to denigrate "naturalism" by falsely insisting that we have no basis for determining right from wrong. And you were quick (far too quick as we have seen) to leap on Nazism as an example of that. Alas, I know how uncomfortable it must be to be hoist on your own petard. Perhaps if nothing else, you will be less facile with your examples in the future.

But ultimately what good is a divine source of morality if even the true believers can do to the Jews what Christians did for 80 generation? Anti-Semitism never even managed to get a bad name within Christianity until Hitler slaughtered six million Jews and Christian Europe finally was shocked into introspection.

No my friend. I am not equivocating over two different meanings of the word "portrayal." I am instead making a deliberate and hard reasoned moral judgment. Something you inexplicably deny that I am capable of doing, and yet I do it anyway. Go figure.

When somebody believes, as you appear to believe, that morality is "what God says it is," then you have eliminated your personal judgment, humanity and humility from the equation. You have reduced yourself from a complete and competent moral actor into a tenth grader taking a cosmic SAT test where all you need to do is get enough answers right and then you can matriculate into salvation.

We are a social species. We have a natural tendency to follow leaders like sheep. This is something that contributes equally to both our great accomplishments such as the symphony orchestra or landing a man on the moon, and to our most horrific atrocities such as 9/11 or the Albigensian Crusade.

And yet we have on the ends of our brain stems 3 1/2 pounds of the most complex matter in the universe, allowing us to question the received "wisdom" of ancient gods and goddesses, and reach conclusions of our own.

Sometimes, we even get it right.
65 posted on 02/11/2010 12:06:45 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
The entire account of multiple trials in front of Jewish authorities and Pontius Pilates eventually "washing his hands" is historically absurd...The "information" of which you speak is not true. It is a deliberate reflection of the personal anti-Semitism of the authors of the Gospels, and it is designed for specific rhetorical purposes.

No this was not your previous position. You knew I believed the gospel account as true, and were basing your argument upon what I had accepted. This you stated clearly.

Now in order to rationalize your world view as infallible (at least compared to a contemptible superstitious world view like mine...or the Jewish world view for that matter) you now have asserted a premise that we clearly did not agree to. And now you are angry and frustrated that anyone would dare disagree with this conspiracy theory of yours.

66 posted on 02/11/2010 3:02:16 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"No this was not your previous position. You knew I believed the gospel account as true, and were basing your argument upon what I had accepted. This you stated clearly."

And nothing has changed. I always knew you believed that the gospel account was true. That is how I knew it was the source of your personal portrayal of the Jews as being responsible for the death of Christ. Something you still resist admitting.

But I certainly never said that I believed it, and now you know both that I do not and whyI do not. I am not certain why that upsets you.

"Now in order to rationalize your world view as infallible (at least compared to a contemptible superstitious world view like mine...or the Jewish world view for that matter) you now have asserted a premise that we clearly did not agree to. And now you are angry and frustrated that anyone would dare disagree with this conspiracy theory of yours."

What are you on about?

Need I point out that I am not the one of us claiming access to infallibility. That is entirely the your franchise. And the words "contemptible superstition" has never before been a product of my keyboard.

Who did you say you were arguing with? Exactly?
67 posted on 02/11/2010 3:19:58 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
From your post 44:

Whether you embrace it as true or not, you are the one that offered the portrayal of the Jews as "Christ Killers."

So then, I was implying your conspiracy theory while so doing?

Perhaps in the sense that St Paul went on this anti-sementic rant that needed future correction by more enlightened introspection (1 Corinthians 13, sorry for poor formating).

1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing. 4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

68 posted on 02/11/2010 5:47:24 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EnderWiggins

Correction, I was quoting your post 48. Sorry for any confusion.


69 posted on 02/11/2010 6:03:56 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"So then, I was implying your conspiracy theory while so doing?"

What conspiracy theory is that?

"Perhaps in the sense that St Paul went on this anti-sementic rant that needed future correction by more enlightened introspection"

Ignoring that Paul never even met Jesus... where in that passage does he even mention the Jews? That's like posting a passage on horticulture and claiming it's evidence that the author played poker.
70 posted on 02/11/2010 6:14:49 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
Ignoring that Paul never even met Jesus... where in that passage does he even mention the Jews? That's like posting a passage on horticulture and claiming it's evidence that the author played poker.

So you don't see an inconsistency between the passage and wanting retribution against Jews?

Also, you would identify some medieval anti-semite as a "Church Father" but not St Paul?

71 posted on 02/11/2010 6:26:01 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EnderWiggins
What conspiracy theory is that?

From your post 65:

...The "information" of which you speak is not true. It is a deliberate reflection of the personal anti-Semitism of the authors of the Gospels, and it is designed for specific rhetorical purposes.

As I recall two of four of these anti-Jew conspirators were Jews. But perhaps this information is also untrue? Its hard to tell how far conspiracies go sometimes.

72 posted on 02/11/2010 6:36:50 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"As I recall two of four of these anti-Jew conspirators were Jews. But perhaps this information is also untrue? Its hard to tell how far conspiracies go sometimes."

How could they have conspired together? They almost certainly didn't even know each other.
73 posted on 02/11/2010 6:38:25 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
How could they have conspired together? They almost certainly didn't even know each other.

Good point. But don't let that keep your conspiracy theory down. You can think of some way they all came up with the same lie.

74 posted on 02/11/2010 6:39:39 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: AndyTheBear
"Good point. But don't let that keep your conspiracy theory down. You can think of some way they all came up with the same lie."

You should be more specific with your terminology. In religions, it's not called "lies." It's called "dogma."
75 posted on 02/11/2010 8:49:03 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
And the words "contemptible superstition" has never before been a product of my keyboard.

...

In religions, it's not called "lies." It's called "dogma."

76 posted on 02/11/2010 8:54:45 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EnderWiggins; AndyTheBear
"How could they have conspired together? They almost certainly didn't even know each other"

They didn't know each other? Now that's news. John and Matthew were two of the Apostles. Mark was Peter's amanuensis. Luke was an historian and companion of Paul. He set out to record an accurate history of the remarkable events that had just occurred. He would have interviewed the eleven and any other witnesses he could find. It would be hard to imagine a scenario in which they didn't know each other, and know each other extremely well.

77 posted on 02/11/2010 9:06:39 PM PST by Pelham
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To: EnderWiggins

“Ignoring that Paul never even met Jesus.”

Well except for that Damascus Road event.


78 posted on 02/11/2010 9:12:55 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Pelham
Well yes I figured they likely knew each other too. But then I was not sure if Ender would accept that, because he has doubts about the veracity of the gospels, and I don't know how far they go.

At issue is his contention that the accounts leading up to Christ's crucifixion had falsehoods intended to encourage readers to be anti-Jewish. The context was that he proposed the Christianity was "both the proximate and ultimate cause" of the Jewish persecution in Europe, including the Holocaust carried out by the Nazis.

79 posted on 02/11/2010 9:31:00 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Pelham
Well except for that Damascus Road event.

I didn't mention it, because he's a naturalist.

80 posted on 02/11/2010 9:31:52 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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