Posted on 02/03/2010 5:06:21 PM PST by Kevin in California
From O'Reilly's opening:
"The FACTOR has proven Obama was born in the United States!"
“Unlike the Honolulu papers, my hometown paper also lists marriage licenses. Even gives the ages of the couple, usually.”
Who is spreading that rumor? Look closely at The Sunday Advertiser at the link below. It’s almost cut off, but below the births you can make out “Marriage Announcements.”
This begs the question did anyone really look for Ann’s marriage announcement to Sr.? Back in the day, putting it in the paper was the proper thing to do. Even if it wasn’t legal, there should have been something even a “Mr. and Mrs. D proudly announced the marriage of their daughter and hosted a shower for the newlyweds in their home at 1234 Liars La. last Saturday afternoon.”
Another question is why the marriage and birth announcements weren’t sent back to Seattle? They hadn’t been gone from there very long and should still have had friends back home. Hometown newspapers always had updates on recent high school graduates - Billy made the final touchdown for his college, Mary got in Pi Gamma Sorority, and Ann got married to some dude from Kenya and had a baby.
I agree with you that this entire issue of the BC may be becoming somehat tiresome to some. However,it was quite common for relatives living in Hawaii to register foreign-born children for Hawaiian Birth Certificates. All that was necessary was for a relative and a one witness to state that the child was born at home in Hawaii. That foreign-born child would subsequently have a COLB, which is merely an abstract of records on file. If Obama were born overseas, and his grandparents got him a valid Hawaiian BC by swearing he was born at home in Hawaii, so be it. One BC is as good as another, and with Mom, Dad, Gramps, and Gramma dead, who could prove otherwise? AS far as BOR and this newspaper stuff goes: once the certificate was issued, good bad or indifferent, the newspapers all over the island would merely pick it up and run with it as a public announcement, the same thing happens all over the country.
Furthermore, the public information laws of the state of Hawaii absolutely require that all documentation used as the basis of public announcements be made available to ANY citizen who requests it. The Hawaiian DOH is acting contrary to these Public Information laws in denying legitimate requests for Obama's documentation. The Hawaiian state office that administers the law has notified the DOH in writing that they must comply. They have not. State Law aside, it is a general legal principle that once Obama published that COLB on his website, he waived any right to privacy over the documents upon which it was allegedly based.
Again, the confusion and stonewalling over the Hawaiian records is only being conducted (very successfully!) to obscure the inescapable fact that if Obama's father was who Obama says he was, it is very unlikely that Obama could be a "Natural Born Citizen."
When running against Keyes for Senate in Illinois, Obama publicly stated that he was not a "Natural Born Citizen." All he claims on his current website is that he is a "Native Born Citizen."
If the Writ of Quo Warranto ever happens, Obama's defense of his qualifications for office will be that a Native Born Citizen is the same thing as a Natural Born Citizen. It is disagreement over this issue which must be decided ...eventually ... in the courts.
Whether or not this happens while Obama is in office which I personally doubt possible, this decision is necessary so that no future President will have this cloud of unanswered questions about legitimacy in office hanging over his head.
Obama is POTUS de facto. There is a great deal of doubt that he is POTUS de jure. Since about half of your fellow citizens think the man is in office illegitimately, and approximately half think not, this is a question that has to be answered. Whether you,or I, don't think so, is irrelevant. Obama's stonewalling, aided and abetted by his friends in Hawaii acting against their own state laws, over something as stupid as a Birth Certificate has actually weakened the Constitution, and thus the country.
That's not because citizens bring up the question. That's because Obama categorically refuses to answer it.
Being born in the US makes you a native born citizen.
Being born in the US of two American citizens makes you a natural born citizen.
Sun Yat-Sen’s certificate is not a COLB. It also does not meet the State Department’s Standards for Proof of Citizenship at Birth.
And that ignores that Hawaii wasn’t even a State when it was issued.
How does that justify engaging in fraud by representing that something is a “birth certificate” when it’s not?
No super powers were endowed upon them. It was just one of the many job duties of clerks just like filling the coffee pot.
We want to see the original birth certificate, not newspaper articles.
The DOH has now confirmed that’s true.
Whoever took down the information at the hospital had to send it to a county clerk who then sent it on to the state registrar? Do I have that right?
Ask them. That’s about all I better say for now.
I don't know about you, but with his self-promoting style, I would have no problem of thinking him being engage in the following I found on Wikipedia:
On October 13, 2004, O'Reilly filed a lawsuit against O'Reilly Factor producer Andrea Mackris, her lawyer Benedict P. Morelli, and Morelli's law firm for extortion, contending Mackris had privately threatened to charge O'Reilly with sexual harassment unless he paid her more than $60 million (USD).[88] Later that same day, Mackris filed a complaint of sexual harassment against O'Reilly. Mackris claimed that O'Reilly had made sexually explicit phone calls, including a "vile and degrading monologue about sex."[89][90] O'Reilly denied engaging in any physical or sexual assault or "offensive touching." He also alleged that Mackris' motives were financial and political in nature. According to newspaper reports, O'Reilly likely paid Mackris millions of dollars as part of a settlement, whereby both lawsuits were dismissed, but the terms of the out-of-court agreement are confidential.[91] The lawsuit was dropped on October 28, 2004.[91]
Yep.
But white granny could have given the info to the county clerk and that info was forwarded to the state.
Lack of Hawaiian long form and no hospital records, British father, Indonesian adoption/citizenship, Kenyan grandma’s at the birth, probable foreign student scholarships, and so on. It’s not just the BC but a dozen other ways he’s NOT eligible.
In other words... it is yet another thing that you believe they meant when they said the exact opposite?
Am I getting that right?
Ask them yourself. The e-mail addy is janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov . I’ve got it memorized by now. lol.
The county clerks don’t have to sign anywhere? They just have to record the information in an index log and send it to the state registrar’s office?
On the Nordykes’ BC’s the mom signed it on Monday after a Saturday birth and the doctor, local registrar, and state registrar all signed it 4 days later, on Friday. Would you understand that to mean that the hospital clerk signed as the local registrar and then delivered it to the county clerk, who on the same day delivered it to the state registrar?
I’m trying to wrap my mind around how this process worked where the physical documents had to be delivered either in person or through mail, and then comparing it to what the DOH has said their terminology means.
Thanks for your help.
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