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To: Clemenza

Western Civilization did quite fine without Christianity


WOW. That statement you make demonstrates how little you know about Western Civilization


71 posted on 02/06/2010 11:43:32 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: eleni121
No, it merely illustrates the fact that what is now known as Western Civ had strong antecedents prior to Christianity.

It can be argued that the spread of Christianity from southern to northern Europe expanded the idea and ideals of the west to the formerly barbarian lands. Moreover, it is true that the conversion of Charlamagne led to the creation of a Holy Roman Empire that was Germanic, yet now open to the ideals of the south, channeled via a now-common Christian heritage.

Nevertheless, the "West" (inclusive of the Americas, there is no "Latin American Civilization"), as an idea and a set of ideals preceded the above by thousands of years, and will survive the decline of Christianity (all but complete in Europe, there is not ONE European state that is seeing a Christian revival). The question is, will it survive the "rise of the rest," particularly if "the rest" have imperial ambitions.

73 posted on 02/06/2010 12:23:59 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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