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Illinois Primary Election Thread (polls close at 7:00 p.m. CST)
Vanity | 2-2-10 | TitansAFC

Posted on 02/02/2010 3:51:10 PM PST by TitansAFC

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I know a lot of you can’t stand Mark Kirk, but boy oh boy do we need to vote for him over Alexi the thug. This guy is as corrupt as Blago.


981 posted on 02/03/2010 3:53:17 PM PST by Dengar01
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To: Dengar01
100% of precincts reporting!

Governor - GOP Primary
Illinois - 11215 of 11215 Precincts Reporting - 100%
	Name 	        Party 	Votes 	        Vote %
	Brady , Bill 	GOP 	155,263 	20%
	Dillard , Kirk 	GOP 	154,857 	20%
	McKenna , Andy 	GOP 	147,587 	19%
	Ryan , Jim 	GOP 	130,377 	17%
	Andrzejewski, A	GOP 	110,724 	14%
	Proft , Dan 	GOP 	 59,175          8%
	Schillerstrom 	GOP 	  7,388 	 1%

982 posted on 02/03/2010 4:19:13 PM PST by Crichton
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To: onyx

Finally! All the precincts in at Sun-Times. Brady ahead by 406 with Brady 155,263 and Dillard 154,857. Rats have Quinn 460,376 and Hynes 452,286. Total Rat votes, in a low Chicago turnout primary were 912662 compared to GOP’s 765371. I don’t know whether all the absentee and provisional ballots in so far are counted. There should be some military ballots to come in yet so things may yet change. Recounts are likely on both sides. Maybe they were correct to move the primaries up so early for Obama in 2000. They may need all this time to sort things out. Now to see which state can run the less corrupt recount, IL or MN.


983 posted on 02/03/2010 4:35:18 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Impy; PhilCollins; TheRightGuy; spintreebob; rabscuttle385; ...
Just checked after getting home from work and still no announced winner in the IL Governor's primary. Brady asked Dillard to concede this morning at the GOP unity breakfast and Dillard said he's not going anywhere. Dillard's behind by 609 votes but he says they “missed” some of his DuPage county votes so he's “really” only behind by 100 votes and once they “add” those and finish counting in Chicago he'll win. Hmmm. I'm worried they're thinking of pulling some of shenanigans here. We all remember what happened to Norm Coleman and Dino Rossi after they won on election night by the narrowest of margins.

Anyhoo...

6:03 PM - Updated Gov. Numbers

Updated numbers from AP for the GOP gubernatorial race. Brady remains 509 ahead of Dillard with 11,143 of 11,215 precincts reporting
Illinois - 11143 of 11215 Precincts Reporting - 99%
Name Party Votes Vote %
Brady , Bill GOP 155,210 20%
Dillard , Kirk GOP 154,701 20%

fidelist has been saying Brady and Dillard are both good conservatives it's just that Brady is slightly better of the two and Dillard is the more electable one. I think most freepers would strongly disagree with that. Dillard may hold the “right” position on most issues but he'd be disasterous as our nominee for the same reason conservatives nationally didn't want John McCain. Dillard plays footsie the Dems far too often. Dillard-McKenna-Ryan were truly our state's version of Rudy McRomney in this year's primary. Kirk McRyan will kill the GOP’s namebrand. And now that rising conservative star Jason Plummer has won the race for Lt. Governor, it would hurt his career greatly if he was dragged down to defeat in November with the U.S.S. Kirk Dillard around his neck (in Illinois, our Gov/Lt. Gov. candidates run separately in the primary but MUST run as a team in November)

Compare Dillard and Brady's lifetime conservative ratings from the URF and it's no contest. Dillard prides himself on being “bipartisan”, Brady stands on conservative principles 90% of the time and has excellent ratings from most conservative groups. And I will remind the Fredheads here on FR that Bill Brady was Fred's Illinois coordinator, compared to Dillard who endorsed McCain in the primary while simultaneously appearing in campaign ads for Obama.

Bottom line... we can't afford to let Dillard take this one. We should all be calling the Brady campaign now and seeing what we can do to help. A Brady/Plummer ticket would truly be a fresh start for Illinois after decades of RINO & RAT governors, and it would give the GOP base a reason to turn out November despite Mark Kirk and Topinka on the ballot.

Let's look at the record...

Senator Bill Brady represents the Fred Thompson campaign at the Illinois Straw poll in ‘07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH_WBMT1OUU


Kirk Dillard says he “bipartisan” and “works to get compromise”, which means he is essentially a laptdog to the democrats. Look at his ridiculously bad fiscal record:

— Kirk Dillard voted in favor of taxpayer funded embroynic stem cell research (SB4, ‘07)

— Kirk Dillard voted in favor of a extremely wasteful $29B spending increase before the current year budget deficit is closed.

— Kirk Dillard voted to expand gambling (HB 2035, ‘07) and raise fees on everything in this state — candy, liquor, drivers licenses, registrations, etc. (HB 255, ‘09), without solving any of our long-term woes

— Kirk Dillard cast the key 30th Vote that passed Blagojevich's $10 Billion borrow and spend package. One of ONLY 3 Republicans to do so. The other two? Sullivan who soon after resigned to join with a Democrat partner in a lobbying firm and Bomke, who dances to the piper's tune played by the Springfield employee unions. This was the bond deal that Bob Kjellander made over $850 grand in commissions on.

— Kirk Dillard voted for the sales tax hike in DuPage County along with the tax hike for the RTA.

— Kirk Dillard received the endorsement of the Log Cabin RINOs in his campaign for Governor, endorsed alongside other infamous “moderate” Republicans Mark Kirk, Judy Baar Topinka,
Beth Coulson, Suzzi Bassi, etc.

— Kirk Dillard has been endorsed and has endorsed all the major RINOs in Illinois, even with McKenna and Jim Ryan having a huge chuck of establishment support themselves. Dillard supported Mark Kirk in the GOP primary for U.S. Senate. Former “moderate” Illinois Governors
Jim Edgar and Jim Thompson endorsed Dillard for Governor and campaigned hard for him.

— Kirk Dillard is beloved by the mainstream media. The Chicago Sun-Times has said that Dillard “has a reputation for getting along with all types and factions.” The Daily Herald has been quoted saying “Kirk Dillard, a Hinsdale Republican, is one of the most qualified individuals for the job of lawmaker”. In 2004, the New York Times called on Dillard to run for U.S. Senator, along with close his friend, Barack Obama.

— Kirk Dillard has the LOWEST rating of ANY Republican on the United Republican Fund (the state equivalent of the American Conservative Union) legislative rating for the 95th Gen. Assembly.
Dillard's overall URF score for the 95th Gen. Assembly was 50% in 2008, with a pathetic lifetime average of 37.5% (by contrast, Bill Brady scored a 89% in 2008, and a lifetime rating of 84.5%, our newly minted U.S. Congressional nominee Randy Hultgren scored a 100% in 2008 and a lifetime average of 87.5%,)

— Kirk Dillard heaped praise on Obama and Lisa Madigan’s political careers, unofficially endorsing Obama for President and Madigan for re-election as Attorney General.

Please consider these links:

Is Kirk Dillard the new Dede Scozzafava?
http://biggovernment.com/dloesch/2010/01/26/is-kirk-dillard-the-new-dede-scozzafava

Reasons to reconsider Kirk Dillard for Governor
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2009/06/reasons-for-kirk-dillard-to-reconsider-running-for-governor.html?cid=6a00d834515c5469e20115712751e0970b

Kirk Dillard's Campaign Ad for Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTtUbzYDzB0

984 posted on 02/03/2010 4:43:02 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; TitansAFC

AP is reporting and Sun Times results page is showing 100% in. Brady up by 406.

“But the Dillard campaign claims their own county-by-county tally is different than the AP’s numbers. With all precincts counted, Dillard’s numbers show that he trails Brady by just 115 votes.”

How funny. My! “own numbers” have Brady up by 8000 votes, okay Dillard?


985 posted on 02/03/2010 5:15:02 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: BillyBoy
Don't forget that Dillard was also endorsed by the ISRA and Family PAC.

He authored the legislation to allow IL citizens to concealed carry, is pro-life and pro-marriage.

He is such a RINO!

IMHO, Dillard is a solid social conservative who is politically pragmatic. That is why I prefer Brady, he is more principled. But that does not mean Dillard is not a conservative.

P.S. It is fideist not "fidelist." Cheers! ;-)

986 posted on 02/03/2010 6:00:32 PM PST by fideist (Pro-Life, Pro-Gun, Pro-American, Pro-Palin!)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; TitansAFC; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; PhilCollins
Here's the link showing Brady up by 406 votes and 100% of precincts reporting: http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/results/index.html

I assume that there are still some provisional and absentee ballots to count, and, of course, Dillard will ask for a recount (or at least a recanvassing), so it's still not clear who won. But I'd rather be up 406 votes than down 406 votes with 100% of precincts reporting.

Let me first say that I supported Adam Andrzejewski, and that between Brady and Dillard I would obviously prefer Brady. However, at the risk of getting flamed, I don't think that Dillard could be quite as terrible as most FReepers assume that he is. Here's a defense of Dillard's pro-life record by none other than Chris Lauzen, the pro-life conservative stalwart of the Illinois Senate

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2009/10/about—a-month-ago-my-dear-friend-jill-stanek-whom-i-deeply-respect-and-admire—harshly-critic.html

Apparently Dillard's only pro-abortion vote was for funding of embryonic stem-cell research (which I find despicable but that a fairly big percentage of otherwise pro-life politicians got conned into supporting), and Lauzen states that he was a good conservative on a host of other issues.

My take is that Dillard is more of a John McCain than a Dede Scozzafava, and, from my outside-the Land-of-Lincoln vantage point, Dillard appears to be more conservative than any successful IL GOP gubernatorial nominee since Jim Thompson.

So, my point is, we should be ecstatic if Brady ends up winning, but should not slit our wrists if Dillard is the GOP Senate nominee.

987 posted on 02/03/2010 6:11:06 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: fideist

I guess that I should have pinged you to my post 987.


988 posted on 02/03/2010 6:13:28 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

That’s such good news!
Thank you for telling me.


989 posted on 02/03/2010 6:14:43 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; TheRightGuy; spintreebob; PhilCollins; TitansAFC
Let's compare this year's GOP primary to four years ago:

2006 GOP Primary - Governor
Judy Baar Topinka 280,701 38.15%
Jim Oberweis 233,576 31.74%
Bill Brady 135,370 18.40%
Rod Gidwitz 80,068 10.88%
Andy Martin 6,095 0.83%

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600552/posts

Through the 2006 campaign, Oberweis supporters continually stressed the fact that we CANNOT allow a RINO to get the nomination and that must ALL UNITE around the highest polling conservative — regardless of whether they're our favorite in the race — to prevent a RINO from being nominated.

At that time, I was supporting Brady but agreed I would hold my nose for Oberweis if he came within striking distance of RINO Topinka by Election Day and had narrowed the race to get within 5% of her. He was actually behind by around 10% in the polls the day before the election, and stood no chance at beating Topinka, so I voted for the best conservative in that race, Bill Brady. Oberweis ended up losing to Topinka by around 7%, which would have required around 50,000 Brady voters to cross over for Oberweis in order to give him the nomination. Assuming Oberweis had somehow gotten an extra 50,000 votes and “beaten Topinka”, he would have almost certainly lost to Blago in the fall, given the political climate in Nov. 2006 and Obie's baggage. And a candidate who was “conservative” on the issues getting about 34% against Blago would have been as helpful to the conservative cause as Keyes was in 2004.

Still, the fact 135,370 did not “get behind” the highest polling conservative four years ago lead to endless attacks on Brady from bitter Oberweis voters for the last four years. Freepers like myself and PhilCollins were knocked for not “uniting” around a flawed conservative candidate who could not win a general election. We have been continually told how Brady was supposedly only in the race to sabotage Oberweis’ chances and was planted there by Topinka... even after Oberweis finally the got the nomination in 2008 and managed to lose a safe GOP seat to an unknown Dem, the “Brady loves Topinka and ruined the GOP’s chances in ‘06” myth continued to be repeated over and over by bitter Oberweis voters until the eve of this week's election.

Now, flash forward four years later:

2010 GOP Primary - Governor
Bill Brady 155,263 20%
Kirk Dillard 154,857 20%
Andy McKenna 147,587 19%
Jim Ryan 130,377 17%
Adam Andrzejewski 110,724 14%
Dan Proft 59,175 8%
Bob Schillerstrom 7,388 1%

406 votes. That's what separates conservative Bill Brady from pro-Obama combiner Kirk Dillard in this race. Not 50,000 like the Topinka-Oberweis gap — a mere 406 votes. If as little of 5% of Andrezjewski supporters had taken their OWN advice from 2006 to “vote for the highest polling conservative, even if he's not our personal favorite”, we wouldn't be in this mess with Dillard standing a good chance of stealing the nomination from a conservative.

Adam had always been polling 5th or 6th place in this race... yet throughout the entire campaign, NO ONE ever demanded he drop out and “unite behind the higher polling conservative”. Brady was well within the 5% margin of Dillard & the other RINOs — I think they were separated by about 2% in all the major polls — and had been the “highest polling conservative” throughout the 2010 primary. But when the shoe was on the other foot, Adam supporters showed no interest in putting aside their favorite. And if Brady “lied” in 2006 by “inflating his numbers and making it look like he had a chance”, shouldn't we question the post on FR that alleged Adam was “surging within 2 points” and the false press release announcing of an “endorsement” by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for Adam the day before the primary, when no such “endorsement” had occurred? (Beck said so himself).

So much for conservative “unity” this time around. Those who demanded it last time around decided to abandon that for a dream of getting “every dime online in real time”.

Going by the “logic” Oberweis supporters have employed for the last four years, Brady voters should start a whisper campaign that Adam was a “stalking horse for Dillard”. But I don't agree with using the tactics others used against Brady. I'm tired of all this conservative infighting.

Perhaps we could stop bashing other conservatives for a change, admit the reality of the 2006 campaign (a conservative would not have won the November election in any scenario) and stop the conspiracy theory stuff, and do everything possible to make sure Brady stays ahead of Dillard now that the results are in.

Wouldn't that be refreshing?

990 posted on 02/03/2010 6:27:22 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: fideist; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Impy
>>> Don't forget that Dillard was also endorsed by the ISRA and Family PAC. He authored the legislation to allow IL citizens to concealed carry, is pro-life and pro-marriage. He is such a RINO! IMHO, Dillard is a solid social conservative who is politically pragmatic. <<

You could probably make the same case for John McCain and Lindsey Graham's record on abortion, guns, and "family values", yet freepers scream that those two are evil incarnate. And I can make a good case that those two are infinitely MORE conservative than Dillard is overall. Dillard gets nowhere near 80% conservative ratings. So he's pro-life and pro-gun, but when it comes to the big picture the United Republican Fund shows he takes the conservative side about 40% of the time. Does that him a RINO? YES! Maybe doing the right thing 40% of the time is good in your book but it certainly isn't in mine. Brady rates TWICE as conservative as Dillard.

As others have noted, Dillard stands a good chance of morphing into another Ray LaHood or George Ryan. I might be forced to hold my nose for him over a communist RAT and risk that, but I certainly won't delude myself into thinking I'm getting a "good conservative". You can do so if you wish, based on him taking the "right" side on a handful of important issues, but I'd say you're in the minority here.

991 posted on 02/03/2010 6:34:35 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I liken Dillard to Huckabee — strongly conservative on social issues, pragmatic on fiscal.

I would prefer he was as principled on fiscal as he is on social. Like Brady. Like Palin. Like Reagan.


992 posted on 02/03/2010 6:38:57 PM PST by fideist (Pro-Life, Pro-Gun, Pro-American, Pro-Palin!)
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To: fideist
You must admit, Dillard's comments since the election are strange at best. He has repeatedly disparaged Brady's electability; who's the audience for those comments? He's either trashing Brady voters for not supporting his supposedly electable self, setting up an I-told-you-so narrative implicitly predicting a Brady loss, he's trying to get state GOP officials to "push" the absentee ballot counting / possible recount in his favor? At best he's a sore loser, at worst ...

What are the chances the Combine runs an independent candidate to siphon off some anti-Quinn votes?

993 posted on 02/03/2010 6:53:31 PM PST by Crichton
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To: BillyBoy

Okay, there is so much wrong with this that I can only address so much:

1.) Whether or not you PERSONALLY agree, many of us do believe that Brady intentionally stalked Oberweis as a means to earn “chits” for a future run at the office. Whether or not he ultimately got to collect those favors is another issue. I am convinced, ABSOLUTELY convinced, he did exactly that.

2.) There was no indication WHATSOEVER that Bill Brady was the Conservative with the best chance of winning. EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the know was convinced Adam Andrzejewski had the mojo, and this was reinforced with the late endorsements and quasi-endorsements by Walesa, Levin, National Review, and Rush Limbaugh. The ONLY poll that EVER showed Brady anywhere within realistic striking distance was a DEMOCRAT poll (PPP). EVERYONE has been pleasantly shocked at the developments since last night, NOBODY is acting like they expected this - no HONEST person.

3.) Oberweis supporters, at least almost every one I knew, were pragmatists looking to beat Topinka. Most would have switched if it looked like Brady was the one with a shot at winning, and if you ask them, they will tell you just that. Some of us who voted for Oberweis last time didn’t even commit to a candidate (though we had our preferences) until the end this time - for that very same reason: we wanted to see who had the best shot at beating Dillard and the gang. You will not get this same concession from Brady backers who cast their votes in 2006 with the full, COMPLETE knowledge that they would be complicit in nominating the ABSOLUTE worst of the worst - Judy Topinka. To them it is, and always was, all about Bill Brady. And rest assured, most of them would have gladly repeated the same scenario this time around (and many of them, I’ll bet, secretly worried that they might have done just that). How many folks went in this time around suspecting, as I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ADMITTED, that some other Conservative had the best chance of winning, but cast their vote for Bill Brady anyhow because the other Conservative who might win just isn’t Bill Brady?

For those Oberweis voters from 2006 you constantly smear, it was about winning with someone to the right of Topinka. For Bill Brady backers it has always been completely and totally, wholly and solely, all about Bill Brady. They just like him, darn it, and couldn’t imagine voting for ANYONE else. Not even if it means another RINO nomination.

Hearing a Bill Brady voter tell me about “everyone getting together to be unified behind a candidate” is like hearing Liberals tell me about media bias. It is an absolutely laughable statement from someone who would have knowingly and willingly cast a vote for Brady if they knew outright that Dillard and Andrzejewski were in a dead heat and Brady was an also-ran. Only now when Brady is ahead do we suddenly hear the pious plea for unity behind the Conservative leader.

We lucked out (seemingly). Brady didn’t perform much better than last time - but for ONCE the RINOs split the vote three ways, so 20% was enough. Hopefully, he wins - though I fear Dillard will have a few tricks up his sleeve.

But stop lecturing us on what a poor victim(s) Bill Brady and his supporters are/were. You would have knowingly cast a vote for him if Rasmussen had released a final poll showing Brady at 6.0%, and Adam and Kirk tied at 24%. That’s the difference between the pragmatic Oberweis voters of 2006 and the absolutely-cannot-ever-be-moved Brady backers.

Get over it. Your ceaseless whining isn’t going to change the fact that many of us think he stalked Oberweis in 2006, or the fact that most of you would have willingly done the exact same thing again in 2010.


994 posted on 02/03/2010 7:07:07 PM PST by TitansAFC (Socialism is a disease; Sarah Palin is the cure. Palin/Romney 2012 or Palin/Gingrich 2012!!)
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To: TitansAFC; BillyBoy
1.) Whether or not you PERSONALLY agree, many of us do believe that Brady intentionally stalked Oberweis

Oberweis was, is, and always will be a terrible candidate and a waste of votes. He never was or could be a reasonable option for any office, ever, for anyone interesting in winning. Embarrassing.

2.) There was no indication WHATSOEVER that Bill Brady was the Conservative with the best chance of winning. EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the know was convinced Adam Andrzejewski had the mojo

Last three public polls

AA got 7%, 11%, and 11% in the three public polls released the week before the election. BB got 9, 16, 11. Brady equaled or exceeded AA's figure in every poll.

Personally I think there was little evidence regarding who had the better chance at winning (except Proft). Both outperformed their poll numbers significantly.

Adam got some favorable last-minute press on the internet, but that was very late in the game.

995 posted on 02/03/2010 7:25:25 PM PST by Crichton
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To: TitansAFC
Titan, you obviously live in your own alternate reality when EVERY single credible poll during this election showed Brady was the highest polling conservative against the McKenna/Dillard/Ryan combine trio, and RealClearPolitics proved this when they averaged them together. Only in your bizzaro world was Brady only doing well in the PPP poll. Nobody could have predicted Brady would finsh no. #1 today (just as everyone would have been shocked if Oberweis finshed no. #1 in 2006), but EVERYONE was predicting Brady would get more votes than other conservative except the "Adam is polish for Governor" fan club.

Only on planet Titan does Oberweis polling 10 points behind Topinka show he had a really good shot of being her, but Brady polling 2 points behind Dillard show he wasn't expected to come close.

On planet Titan did Brady "lie" by saying he was polling well in 2006, but Adam was Mr. Honesty by making up "endorsements" from Glenn Beck and posting his own "internal numbers" that showed him "within 2 points" (when every credible polling out lit showed him running 5th and 6th place during the entire course of him campaign.

You have it backwards when you think Brady voters are obsessed with Brady and Oberweis/Adam voters (most of whom are the same people) only cared about stopping a RINO. Perhaps you can explain why Brady voters flirted with voting for Matt Murphy and Dan Proft for Governor but most Oberweis voters continued to blindly support him after he had lost four times? (where did all these phantom voters come from who choose Oberweis over Lauzen in 2008?) Perhaps you can explain why Oberweis voters act like Michael Moore (Al Gore is not my guy, I didn't want him, but he was CHEATED out of victory, damnit!) and STILL claim it's Brady's fault the GOP lost in 2006 when the climate shows any rational person the GOP would have lost no one who was the nominee.

Titan, you obviously live in your own little world, when everything the Oberweis kool-aid drinkers said about how "we have to unite to stop the RINO" was proven in this election when they refused to support the highest polling candidate and you even made up your own alternate reality on the internet where Adam was an unstoppable force of nature, unlike the real world where he was polling way behind the major candidates for months on end. Very Ron Paul like. If that's not fanatical devotion for a candidate solely because "your guy" is the only acceptable choice, I dunno what is.

996 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:23 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Crichton; Impy
Titan sure seems to hold a grudge against Brady "cheating" Oberweis in 2006 for a guy who allegedly only voted for Oberweis one time and only, and did so with the sole reason of "stopping Topinka"

Again, I'm reminded of Michael Moore constantly insisting he's not a Democrat and doesn't like Al Gore, while constantly repeating the (now thoroughly debunked) Democrat myth the Supreme Court "stole" the election from him and gave it to Bush. And even after Obama was elected to "get revenge", they still lash out about what Bush "stole" from them.

I find it interesting how he claims anti-Brady people only voted that way for "pragmatic" reasons to stop a RINO, whereas pro-Brady voters did so because they love Bill Brady no matter no what. In reality, most people I've met who voted for Brady gave some serious thought to supporting another candidate for Governor. But most Oberweis and Adam supporters I've talked to was adamant that "this is the guy who will SAVE Illinois" from day one, and never wavered from what belief no matter what the "polls" showed.

You know... I agree there are plenty of conservatives in this state who voted for Oberweis in 2006 to be "pragmatic" and are not fans of the guy personally. In the past four years, they've seen what happened and now in hindsight they realize that Oberweis was just plain DOA from the start and Brady wasn't the bad guy after all. Lots of good freepers like TheRightGuy and Impy are in that category. I'd count spintreebob and many others too.

Titan is not of those people.

But there IS an Oberweis cult (abeit small) who seethed about him being "cheated" for years, live in their own little alternate reality (regardless of what conservative "the polls" show is a stronger candidate) and followed Adam around for months -- probably not even because they love Adam but just to "get back" at Brady. And it's pretty clear what kind of freepers are members of that group.

997 posted on 02/03/2010 7:59:29 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

-—”Nobody could have predicted Brady would finsh no. #1 today (just as everyone would have been shocked if Oberweis finshed no. #1 in 2006),...”-—

Umm....yeah......that’s because we knew Brady was going to stalk him and bleed votes. Without Brady, Topinka would have lost - there is no doubt about this; and nobody would have been surprised.

-—”but EVERYONE was predicting Brady would get more votes than other conservative except the “Adam is polish for Governor” fan club.”-—

What an absolute load of crap. Without the Democrat poll, Brady averaged 10%. Brady got no mention on Rush, Beck, National Review, Mark Levin, etc. because everyone who is anyone thought Andrzejewski was the Conservative with the mojo at the end, even the Washington Times. Had there BEEN conventional wisdom that Brady was in the lead, there wouldn’t be a contest right now - even most Freepers who voted Adam would have switched, and have stated as much. Repeat Brady voters would not have returned the favor under ANY circumstance.

-—”On planet Titan did Brady “lie” by saying he was polling well in 2006, but Adam was Mr. Honesty by making up “endorsements” from Glenn Beck and posting his own “internal numbers” that showed him “within 2 points” (when every credible polling out lit showed him running 5th and 6th place during the entire course of him campaign.”-—

Nope. On planet Titan I OPENLY called it Brady-eques to release an internal poll at the end to falsely pump your numbers. The difference here is that you are incapable of admitting Brady lied when he did so, whereas I’ll openly tell you Andrzejewski was B.S.ing with such a move.

I like your phrasiology “How come some Brady voters were flirting with so-and-so?” Give me a break. The scenario I posted still holds true - in a dead heat between Adam and Kirk, you would have still voted Brady, because it’s all about BILL BRADY! “Flirted” LOL. Yeah, right. Face it, it’s all about Bill Brady - no other candidate is good enough because they’re not Bill Brady. Own it.

Now stop whining before your incessant insults and gripes makes a Constitution Party voter out of me..........


998 posted on 02/03/2010 8:35:21 PM PST by TitansAFC (Socialism is a disease; Sarah Palin is the cure. Palin/Romney 2012 or Palin/Gingrich 2012!!)
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To: BillyBoy

BTW

As far as who is obsessed with whose voters: I took me two days of your repeat B.S. whining on different threads to finally respond to your nonsense.

I NEVER WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP, but you KEPT BRINGING IT UP. YOU DID - OVER AND OVER - NOT ME, not ANY Oberweis voter from 2006.

Get over it. And have the balls to address me directly when you talk about me, instead of your cowardly second-hand mention crap.


999 posted on 02/03/2010 8:39:19 PM PST by TitansAFC (Socialism is a disease; Sarah Palin is the cure. Palin/Romney 2012 or Palin/Gingrich 2012!!)
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To: BillyBoy; Crichton; TitansAFC; fieldmarshaldj; PhilCollins

At this point guys I’m CONVINCED that Oberweis is the Mitt Romney of Illinois, a centimeter to Topinka’s right if at all and just as wedded to the combine. I’ve said that a few times, no one pinged me with a defense of Oberweis.

I allowed myself to believe him when he flip flopped from moderate to conservative overnight. It was him or Topinka and I got on board with that. I was wedded to the idea and didn’t consider Brady or anyone else.

I take the evidence available, his original candidacy as a RINO who compared pro-lifers to the Taliban (seriously, I feel stupid for voting for him), his support of and from the Hastert machine, his viscous smear during his self-serving campaign against his congressional opponent Chris Lauzen who was the natural choice for the seat, his endorsement of in my opinion (we all may have least favorite RINOs, most/many think the “honor” goes instead to McKenna) the worst candidate in this current race, Dillard, and it seems clear to me.

I find the idea Brady ran to take votes from him to be an implausible lie crafted by the Oberwies people to get people to vote for him instead of Brady. A stupid lie just like his smears against Lauzen who should be in Congress right now.

Anyhow, voters in November would have rejected Ober just as they did Topinka, and if they didn’t and he won he would have likely been a Governor in the same vein as Mitt Romney.

I hope we can put Oberdouche behind us and move on. He better not dare run for office again.

As to this current race I started out preferring Brady but came to prefer Proft and I still do. His debate line mocking his opponents for exaggerating their humble backgrounds (expect for silver spoon McKenna) and trying to steer the conversation back to the actually relevant issues sealed it for me.

But it was clear Proft couldn’t win while you could argue everyone else had a chance. He was polling last and lacked a base like Brady (only real downstate guy, he carried most downstate counties) and to a lesser extent Adam (Tea party/internet conservative favorite). I also thought Brady would be a stronger GE candidate. If I could snap my fingers and make someone Governor it would be Proft. But I voted for Brady. With the close vote I’m glad I did.

Dillard better not steal it cause I’m not likely to vote for an election thief in November. Brady ain’t perfect, his railroad idea is dumb as hell. But Brady/Plummer is our best ticket in decades. Since Governor Stratton lost his third term in 1960, running behind Nixon.

2006 Topinka A Rat dressed as a Parrot?

2002 Jim Ryan

1998 George Ryan- I loathe the democrat party but I would have voted for Poshard, nuff said

1994 1990 Edgar

1976/78/82/86 Thompson

1968 Income tax Ogilville

1964 DIABLO Chuck “Kirk?” Percy

The last 3 all wanted to be President.

I voted for Hughes in the Senate race even though he was a terrible candidate cause he was the top conservative. He did worse and Kirk better than I figured they would.

I voted for Plummer for LT party by process of elimination and party because I figured it was him or Murphy (or RINO Cole but I was thankfully way off base, he got like 8%!)

I voted for Dodge for Comptroller. He actually came in third to Kelly. That race was the biggest disappointment of the night, I thought we had a chance there.


1,000 posted on 02/03/2010 9:21:31 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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