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Are You 100% Sure They Saved the Financial System
The Market Oracle ^ | 2-1-2010 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 02/01/2010 2:30:52 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 02/01/2010 2:30:53 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Uh, no

Our government was/is THREATENING US with our own money.


2 posted on 02/01/2010 2:32:36 PM PST by Lorianne
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The Collapse of Sovereign Government Bonds The Next Financial Crisis Contagion

Interest-Rates / Global Debt Crisis
Feb 01, 2010 - 07:57 AM
By: Martin D Weiss

The next contagion is beginning to spread around the globe.

It is unexpected on Wall Street, misunderstood in Washington — and very dangerous.

It could sabotage the plans of the U.S. Treasury, the Federal Reserve, and many of their counterparts overseas.

It is …

The Collapse of Sovereign Government Bonds

This is certainly not the first financial contagion of recent memory:

Back in 1997, we witnessed a currency contagion —hatched in Thailand, spreading quickly to the rest of Southeast Asia … smacking Russia in the gut … and sinking a major player in the U.S. derivatives market.

Then, 10 years later, came the debt contagion —incubated in a subsector of America’s mortgage market … soon infecting nearly all credit instruments … striking Wall Street like a sledgehammer … and mortally wounding the global financial system.

Those contagions were bad enough. Now, however, the contagion is beginning at a much higher level, in the most important financial instruments on Earth — long-term bonds issued by sovereign governments.

The Saga Begins in Greece

Just 116 days ago, on October 8, Greece’s benchmark 10-year bond was selling for 112.295. Today, it has collapsed to 92.13.

And the drama of its yield surge is even more striking — from only 4.41 percent to 7.14 percent, a jump of more than 60 percent in less than four months.

Coincidentally, I was in Greece not long ago, visiting the origins of Western democracy.

If a local soothsayer had told me that the next global debt contagion would begin there, blocks away from the Pantheon, I would have been incredulous. Yet that is precisely what has just happened in recent weeks.

Already, this contagion is spreading to other countries …

Portugal’s 10-year government bond reached a peak on December 1, 2009, just 62 days ago. And now it has also started to plunge virtually nonstop, with its biggest declines registered late last week.

British government bonds (gilts) are equally vulnerable.

Sovereign bonds in Spain, Japan, and other major deficit nations are also starting to get hit.

Next Victim: U.S. Government Bonds

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3 posted on 02/01/2010 2:36:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Yes I am 100% sure. As usual, the doom mongers are out on the street corner in their washboards screaming that the end is nigh. Also, it's Monday.
4 posted on 02/01/2010 2:39:13 PM PST by JasonC
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To: blam

They just kicked the can down the road.


5 posted on 02/01/2010 2:41:39 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberal Massachussetts says: "FUBO!")
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To: blam
Well reasoned, assuming the "martial law" comment was true. But I doubt it was true. I think that was saved was a few giant, well connected Wall Street firms that have made centi-millionaires out of Paulson, Dimon, Rubin, Sommers, Corazine, and maybe a few hundred other big wigs.

Any lie was worth telling to save their control of the USA.

There is no legal mechanism that allows martial law to be declared simultaneously in the entire USA in any case. It would essentially be a coup d'etat.

I think it was just talk. If five or ten big banks in New York had failed we would probably be better off.

6 posted on 02/01/2010 2:42:16 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: blam
Obviously, the bubble is still there, and as Dylan Ratigan pointed out on MSNBC recently, nothing has been done to fix it.

Obviously there is still a bubble in Dylan's head and nothing can be done to fit it.

7 posted on 02/01/2010 2:45:50 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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Excuse me, but the doom-mongers are those who insist/insisted we were going over a precipice unless the American taxpayer backstopped every risk made by banks and insurance companies and quasi-government lending institutuions.

And they’re still at it. We’re not done being threatened yet. Just a few days ago they sent out the nice mild-mannered. sweet lady, Elizabeth Warren to subtley threaten us that we need to spend MORE to ‘stimulate’ the economy or we’ll go off another cliff. When, after a few days that didn’t mollify those of us paying attention, they sent out the tougher Neil Barofsky to more directly threaten us.


8 posted on 02/01/2010 2:46:15 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: blam

They spiked it.


9 posted on 02/01/2010 2:47:47 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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I’m 100% sure they did NOT.

One Hundred Percent.


10 posted on 02/01/2010 2:52:23 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: blam
Back in 1997, we witnessed a currency contagion —hatched in Thailand, spreading quickly to the rest of Southeast Asia … smacking Russia in the gut … and sinking a major player in the U.S. derivatives market.

IIRC, wasn't Soros a major player in that incident?
11 posted on 02/01/2010 2:52:57 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Lorianne

If they hadn’t guaranteed money market deposits... there would of been a run on the market, which would of collapsed the system.


12 posted on 02/01/2010 2:53:54 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (November is coming.)
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>>...the doom-mongers are those who insist/insisted we were going over a precipice unless the American taxpayer backstopped every risk made by banks and insurance companies and quasi-government lending institutuions.<<

I’m one of those “doom-mongers”. I think we’re going over the precipice no matter what anyone attempts to do. I said it to those who thought McCain could pull us out if only I voted for him - I didn’t. I voted for Palin.

This bus has a concrete wall 50 feet in front of it. The stopping distance is 200 feet, and the drivers (our government) foot slipped off the brake onto the gas pedal on November 4th, 2008.

Brace yourself.


13 posted on 02/01/2010 2:58:25 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

So?

We shouldn’t have system that is so easily collapsed.
Even the system we do have would have worked IF they had been run responsibly and not like giant Ponzi schemes.

Bottom line, you can’t have all your risks backstopped by the taxpayers ... it is the mother of all moral hazards.


14 posted on 02/01/2010 2:59:00 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: blam
Back in 1997, we witnessed a currency contagion —hatched in Thailand, spreading quickly to the rest of Southeast Asia … smacking Russia in the gut … and sinking a major player in the U.S. derivatives market.

IIRC Soros was a major player in that incident.
15 posted on 02/01/2010 3:00:06 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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I’m with you.

But I’m tired of being called a doom-monger by those who sanction the threats of collapse that preceeded the largest heist in world history, TARP.


16 posted on 02/01/2010 3:00:50 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: algernonpj

OOPS, sorry for the double post.


17 posted on 02/01/2010 3:03:18 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: blam

For a select few. For the rest, disaster.


18 posted on 02/01/2010 3:07:51 PM PST by mulligan
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To: blam

Very much related:
Roubini: A Greek Bailout Solves Nothing Since Spain Is The Real Time Bomb That Will Destroy The Euro
http://www.businessinsider.com/spain-is-the-real-problem-roubini-29-1-2010


19 posted on 02/01/2010 3:07:56 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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Rent “Rollover” via NetFlix when you get a chance. All the “end of the world” numbers they used there “the Dow is down eight percent! Gold is up five percent!” paled in comparison to our actual numbers during the 2009 controlled market collapse.

Hey look at gold today, huh! Six days of jacking around got a big “never mind” in about three hours. The $1100 battleground is back.


20 posted on 02/01/2010 3:38:21 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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