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I have beating the drums on the fleecing of the taxpayer by the 'public' sector for some time now.

I have acquaintances in the gov't sector who are gaming the system by collaborating with their fellow workers to put in lots of overtime in the last three years before retirement in order to inflate the base rate which their pension is based upon.

While private sector employees will have to work to 65,66, or 67 before they retire, many of my acquaintances will be retiring in their 50's with pensions and health care benefits which are nothing short of outrageous.

As the article states, the costs of these benefits are going up exponentially and swamping the ability of gov't to pay them. Something has to give, and when the few people who actually pay taxes to pay these benefits realize how we have been screwed by the new 'royalty', it will not be pretty.

1 posted on 01/29/2010 8:29:00 AM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy

In California unfunded pension and health care liabilities for state workers top $100 billion, and the annual pension contribution has shot up from $320 million to $7.3 billion in less than a decade.

THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT! The State itself said this on Nov 30th.........The budget problem consists of a $6.3 billion projected deficit for 2009–10 and a $14.4 billion gap between projected revenues and spending in 2010–11.....

If you examine those numbers you see the INCREASE in pension costs if responsible for 2/3rd of the budget deicit for the next two years....

Truly shocking stats, but illustrative of how quickly things have spun out of control/.


2 posted on 01/29/2010 8:37:05 AM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy
While private sector employees will have to work to 65,66, or 67 ...
And just where would that be?
First of all, age discrimination is rampant and not many last that long.
Second, doesn't make much difference because there ain't no jobs!
3 posted on 01/29/2010 8:38:27 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Bigger government means more government employees. Those employees then become a permanent lobby for continual government growth. The nation may have reached critical mass...



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4 posted on 01/29/2010 8:39:33 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: milwguy

http://www.amazon.com/Plunder-Employee-Treasuries-Controlling-Bankrupting/dp/0984275207

Plunder: How Public Employee Unions are Raiding Treasuries, Controlling Our Lives and Bankrupting the Nation (Paperback)
~ Steven Greenhut (Author)

Also, if you understand the premise (collapse the system from within, Cloward-Pivens, “In Praise of Barbarians”, “Unjust Desserts”, etc) the economy HAS to be collapsed for Obama to implement his new ‘Foundation” for the economy.
We are in dangerous times. Some people don’t want to admit it.


5 posted on 01/29/2010 8:42:39 AM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: milwguy
it will not be pretty.

Remember, it never is...pretty...


6 posted on 01/29/2010 8:46:28 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: milwguy

http://www.pensiontsunami.com/public.php

public “servants” my ass.


7 posted on 01/29/2010 9:01:41 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: milwguy

http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/03/the-federalist-papers-federalist-no-1/

These chicks make some good points.

“the obvious interest of a certain class of men in every State to resist all changes which may hazard a diminution of the power, emolument, and consequence of the offices they hold under the State establishments”


9 posted on 01/29/2010 9:13:41 AM PST by tumblindice ("I want homos in the Armed Forces." Obaaaama................... "Sure you do." Joint Chiefs of Staff)
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To: milwguy

bump


10 posted on 01/29/2010 9:57:03 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: milwguy

The first thing our new Congress should do is to correct this. The private sector is much more valuable than the government and unions who lie and use their members.


13 posted on 01/29/2010 10:38:33 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: milwguy

It’s important to differentiate between state/local employees and federal employees.

Benefits for federal employees and retirees are funded out of the Treasury. If more money is needed to fund those obligations, more money can be printed.

States and localities can’t print money, so obligations for their employees have to come out of state/local taxes.

Big difference!


14 posted on 01/29/2010 10:44:25 AM PST by Poundstone
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To: milwguy

The idiots in Oregon voted this week to raise their personal income tax rate to one of the highest in the nation, and raise taxes on businesses, so as to give public employees a nice big raise. Of course, public employees already make 1/3 more than private sector workers and have better benefits - but hey, I’m sure they really deserved it.


16 posted on 01/29/2010 12:02:42 PM PST by mojito
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To: milwguy

We need to keep the pressure on all our politicos and have them cancel or not renew the union contracts , contract most all Gov. services to private co.

No gubMint employees = No overpaid power hungry gubMint workers, No golden retirement pensions ...........

Explain too me how exempting all gubMint employees from the law, that all the other citizens are subjected too, is not a violation of the 14th Amend. , The Equal Protection Under the Law Clause ?

If that does not work we need too put a referendum on the ballot too implement these polices

No matter how well intentioned, Government agency’s/programs turn into a cesspool of graft & corruption


17 posted on 01/29/2010 3:12:41 PM PST by roylll
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To: milwguy
Excerpt from Federalist No. 1:

"On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants."

19 posted on 01/30/2010 1:57:29 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: milwguy

Can these “promises” be broken on the Federal or state levels or is the taxpayer stuck?


21 posted on 01/30/2010 2:17:50 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: milwguy

Public servants...have become the perpetual mandarin class...which ran China India Russai etc. into the ground.

First step in reform: bust up their unions

Wasn’t it JFK that allowed them to become unionized?


29 posted on 01/30/2010 4:33:12 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: milwguy

FWIW my wife (a school principal) is 12 year younger than I, and we will retire in the same year....assuming that a) I live that long and b) if there’s anything left of my private pensions and 401k’s in 2027. Our salaries are within a few dollars of each other....for now She will pass me this year because her raises are 4-5%. Hell, last year the company didn’t give out raises and this year I’m going to assume more of the same. She will retire on a pretty fat pension at 55.


30 posted on 01/30/2010 6:24:42 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: milwguy

bttt


38 posted on 01/30/2010 8:58:18 PM PST by xone
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To: milwguy
So don't pay them. Simple.

Legislatures are sovereign. They can zero any of this out in five seconds, all it takes is a vote, all that takes is representatives willing to do so.

42 posted on 01/31/2010 3:17:49 AM PST by JasonC
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