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Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]
Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

Posted on 01/25/2010 11:27:02 PM PST by JustPiper

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To: JustPiper

I told you how old I was, I was born October 26 1930, Loma Linda, CA. Raised at Lake Elsinore.

That pic was taken about four years ago. My beard is a little whiter and I’m a little lighter. ;)


1,661 posted on 03/20/2010 1:27:28 PM PDT by blackie
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To: JustPiper

Cameron now saying 218 for, 214 against. What next? Everything that can be said has been said. Now what?


1,662 posted on 03/20/2010 1:29:25 PM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: MestaMachine

I hate him too


1,663 posted on 03/20/2010 1:29:30 PM PDT by JustPiper (Paulie the Mascot For the States that say Say "No" To Health Care Reform)
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bookmark and bump


1,664 posted on 03/20/2010 1:30:13 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: JustPiper; TigersEye

Infowars take [granted — extreme much of the time]

Constituent Calls On Obamacare Considered ‘Harassment’
http://www.infowars.com/constituent-calls-on-obamacare-considered-harassment
Capitol Confidential | “I was shocked when a Federal Agent with the Capital Police picked-up the telephone.”

Why Did Kucinich Cave In To Obama?
http://www.infowars.com/why-did-kucinich-cave-in-to-obama
FreeSociety | Did Obama’s unconstitutional wiretapping program create or fabricate some embarrassing family story or personal smear?

Obamacare: It’s About Enriching Bankers and Wall Street
http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-its-about-enriching-bankers-and-wall-street/

Kurt Nimmo | All the highfalutin rhetoric espoused by Obama and the Democrats is nothing more than hot air on the road to serfdom. [snip]

Buying Votes for Health Care Bill With Amnesty for Illegal Aliens
http://www.infowars.com/buying-votes-for-health-care-bill-with-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens/
PRNewswire-USNewswire | The president’s promise to push amnesty in 2010 came just hours after members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus promised their support for the health care reform bill.

Impeach Obama Over ‘Slaughter Solution’?
http://www.infowars.com/impeach-obama-over-slaughter-solution
Washington Times | The Democrats are assaulting the very pillars of our democracy.

9 major changes in new health care bill
http://www.infowars.com/9-major-changes-in-new-health-care-bill
MSNBC | House Democrats are pushing a package of legislative fixes to lure undecided or opposed members of their party to the “yes” category.

Pelosi “Demon Pass” Strategy: Yet another Obama assault on the Constitution
http://www.infowars.com/pelosi-demon-pass-strategy-yet-another-obama-assault-on-the-constitution/
BigNews.biz | Are Obama and Pelosi really ready to end their Don Quixote quest for health care and actually vote?


1,665 posted on 03/20/2010 1:31:34 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Vote expected Sunday to be ‘tough,’ Obama says
~God’ ears

Bachmann: Democrats are going to ‘profane the Sabbath’
~they don’t care they are Socialists!

Pelosi calls on Catholic saint to pass pro-abortion bill
~what the fudge?! Bad enough we have Catholics that are dims voting for abortion, Louie was grilled on that on FNC, what hypocrites


1,666 posted on 03/20/2010 1:32:30 PM PDT by JustPiper (Paulie the Mascot For the States that say Say "No" To Health Care Reform)
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To: MestaMachine

Snurple yah!


1,667 posted on 03/20/2010 1:32:48 PM PDT by JustPiper (Paulie the Mascot For the States that say Say "No" To Health Care Reform)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I lived in Berkeley, it was more about the Second Amendment than it was about foreign invaders.

I drove big rig for 31 years, retired in ‘85 when I was 55.

Bought a house in ‘70 for $23.5K sold it in ‘90 for $247K and moved to Oregon.


1,668 posted on 03/20/2010 1:33:07 PM PDT by blackie
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To: JustPiper

How did Mesta get turned back? (Trying to follow this and a buncha other things at the same time.)


1,669 posted on 03/20/2010 1:33:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: MestaMachine

I know mine were BC, HC completely, Maxine, Bawney, Waxball etc

But now it’s BO, Reiad, Pill, Slaughter, & yes still Waxball


1,670 posted on 03/20/2010 1:34:32 PM PDT by JustPiper (Paulie the Mascot For the States that say Say "No" To Health Care Reform)
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To: MestaMachine; JustPiper

“This fight is NOT over. Not by a long shot.”

Amen! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Tea Party protesters refused entry into congressional buildings
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475529/posts

They Still Don’t Have the Votes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475540/posts
NRO ^ | 3/20/2010 |

They Still Don’t Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]

The most likely explanation for the breakdown of talks between Rep. Bart Stupak and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not that Pelosi decided she didn’t need Stupak and his crew in order to have enough votes to pass Obamacare. Rather, it is that Stupak — who is increasingly emerging as this drama’s Jefferson Smith (Jimmy Stewart’s heroic character in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) — held firm in insisting on language that would truly prevent taxpayer-funded abortions, and in insisting that such language be passed by the Senate before the bill could become law.

In turn, Pelosi either decided that by accepting the language, she would lose more votes in the House than she would gain, or else knew that Democratic senators, with their strong preference for taxpayer-funded abortion, would never go along with this concession to the views of the vast majority of Americans.

In any event, by all accounts, Pelosi is now trying to pass the bill without the pro-life Democratic vote — or at least without Stupak. As of now, it doesn’t appear that she has the votes. I currently count 208 leaning in favor of Obamacare and 214 leaning against, with 9 undecided. Here they are — with the margin by which the presidential vote was won (by one party or the other) in their districts over the last three elections:

• Marion Berry (D., Ark.) (GOP +8) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Henry Cuellar (D., Tex.) (Dem +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Bill Foster (D., Ill.) (GOP +4)

• Jim Matheson (D., Utah) (GOP +30) — with nearly two-thirds of his constituents having supported GOP presidential candidates over the last three elections, a “yes” vote on Stupak, and an earlier “no” vote on Obamacare, a “yes” vote would mean that, for the rest of his days, he would be remembered as the guy who sold his vote for the price of Obama’s having just nominated his brother to a federal judgeship

• Michael Michaud (D., Me.) (Dem +7) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Solomon Ortiz (D., Tex.) (GOP +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) (GOP +21) — pro-Stupak Amendment — yes, that’s GOP +21

• Nick Rahall (D., W.V.) (GOP +6) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Zach Space (D., Ohio) (GOP +12) — pro-Stupak Amendment

Also, here is a partial list of some particularly key members who are leaning “no”:

• Christopher Carney (D., Pa.) (GOP +15) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.) (Dem +22) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Kathleen Dahlkemper (D., Pa.) (GOP +3) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Glenn Nye (D., Va.) (GOP +9) — “no” last time

Democrats’ Fuzzy Math (Presented Today by Rep. Paul Ryan $454B Added to Natl. Debt by Obamacare)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475558/posts


1,671 posted on 03/20/2010 1:36:23 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: JustPiper; MestaMachine; All

They Still Don’t Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]

Saturday, March 20, 2010

They Still Don’t Have the Votes [Jeffrey H. Anderson]

The most likely explanation for the breakdown of talks between Rep. Bart Stupak and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not that Pelosi decided she didn’t need Stupak and his crew in order to have enough votes to pass Obamacare. Rather, it is that Stupak — who is increasingly emerging as this drama’s Jefferson Smith (Jimmy Stewart’s heroic character in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) — held firm in insisting on language that would truly prevent taxpayer-funded abortions, and in insisting that such language be passed by the Senate before the bill could become law.

In turn, Pelosi either decided that by accepting the language, she would lose more votes in the House than she would gain, or else knew that Democratic senators, with their strong preference for taxpayer-funded abortion, would never go along with this concession to the views of the vast majority of Americans.

In any event, by all accounts, Pelosi is now trying to pass the bill without the pro-life Democratic vote — or at least without Stupak. As of now, it doesn’t appear that she has the votes. I currently count 208 leaning in favor of Obamacare and 214 leaning against, with 9 undecided. Here they are — with the margin by which the presidential vote was won (by one party or the other) in their districts over the last three elections:

• Marion Berry (D., Ark.) (GOP +8) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Henry Cuellar (D., Tex.) (Dem +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Bill Foster (D., Ill.) (GOP +4)

• Jim Matheson (D., Utah) (GOP +30) — with nearly two-thirds of his constituents having supported GOP presidential candidates over the last three elections, a “yes” vote on Stupak, and an earlier “no” vote on Obamacare, a “yes” vote would mean that, for the rest of his days, he would be remembered as the guy who sold his vote for the price of Obama’s having just nominated his brother to a federal judgeship

• Michael Michaud (D., Me.) (Dem +7) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Solomon Ortiz (D., Tex.) (GOP +1) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Earl Pomeroy (D., N.D.) (GOP +21) — pro-Stupak Amendment — yes, that’s GOP +21

• Nick Rahall (D., W.V.) (GOP +6) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Zach Space (D., Ohio) (GOP +12) — pro-Stupak Amendment

Also, here is a partial list of some particularly key members who are leaning “no”:

• Christopher Carney (D., Pa.) (GOP +15) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Dan Lipinski (D., Ill.) (Dem +22) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Kathleen Dahlkemper (D., Pa.) (GOP +3) — pro-Stupak Amendment

• Glenn Nye (D., Va.) (GOP +9) — “no” last time

03/20 03:14 PMShare

http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTgyNGZmMzU5YWJiNDBiNDljYWRkODAyNzIxNWIyMGU=


1,672 posted on 03/20/2010 1:36:33 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: blackie

I got my CCW in 2005 in Ventura County, Ca.

It is for Utah. Good in 31 states.......... NOT good in California ;-)


1,673 posted on 03/20/2010 1:39:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: MestaMachine

Further, I realize conventional wisdom is that once it’s in place, it’s impossible to end. Traditionally, yes. But this is different. It doesn’t fundamentally change the industry for years — after the the next president is sworn in. If we control House, Senate, and White House, a new bill ends it — whammo.

As unpopular as it is, I think that would be likely, although our economy would be in even worse shape if this does pass.


1,674 posted on 03/20/2010 1:39:28 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: blackie

Bless you! I am so glad you are here with us. You know things we, (I,) have only read about. Wisdom cannot be bought. You must have seen some mighty changes in your lifetime. How did it ever get this bad?
I know history. I know this has been building to this culmination for a century or more. What I don’t understand is why? To what end?
This reminds me of Jason and the Argonauts with the gods, haughty and wilful, sitting on Mt. Olympus and playing sporting games with the lowly humans under their absolute control. Never any reason for it except they could. Bored with all their riches and power.


1,675 posted on 03/20/2010 1:39:31 PM PDT by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: thouworm

thread for this post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475540/posts


1,676 posted on 03/20/2010 1:43:14 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I wonder if all these vampires are leading to a spike in the HIV rate.


1,677 posted on 03/20/2010 1:43:26 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Nothing is good in CA. ;)


1,678 posted on 03/20/2010 1:44:11 PM PDT by blackie
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To: JustPiper; unspun

#
Democrats’ Fuzzy Math (Presented Today by Rep. Paul Ryan $454B Added to Natl. Debt by Obamacare)
Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:29:10 PM · by unspun · 1 replies · 148+ views
house.gov ^ | 3/20/2010 | Rep. Paul Ryan
Rep. Paul Ryan (WI-R) today spelled out the true deficit inflating numbers of Obamacare, based upon and reporting Congressional Budget Office numbers, where they actually consider the full set of Obamacare factors. That figure is an additional budget deficit of $-454B. According to Ryan, this includes the Pelosi “Doctor Fix,” etc. The graph which depicts these figures is located here:http://www.house.gov/budget_republicans/graphs/20100320fuzzymath.pdfThe staff of Rep. Ryan has been asked to refer to this in a fully printed article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475558/posts


1,679 posted on 03/20/2010 1:45:31 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Impy

Vampires are immune to HIV, aren’t they? But if they get sloppy in their eating habits, and their game escapes ....


1,680 posted on 03/20/2010 1:46:32 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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