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To: Texas Fossil

Help me to understand this.

From what I read, the Austin PD want to stop illegal aliens and convicted felons from buying guns while on the premises of the gun show (HEB owned center). In addition, they want to prevent private sales that have occurred in the parking lot in the past because, they say, those sales, in the past, were mostly the above mentioned illegals and felons.

Further, they have made an agreement with the ownership and management of the lot and gun show. The promoter of the gun show will now provide lot security and a means for private sellers to sell their guns inside the show.

If I have that correct, tell me why that’s bad. Honestly, I just don’t get it. And, yes, I am a gun owner and NRA member.


6 posted on 01/19/2010 11:01:07 PM PST by papasmurf (sudo apt-get install U-S-Constitution)
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To: papasmurf

There are many problems with this, not least of which being that it is illegal under state law for APD to even attempt to regulate commerce in arms in any way.

Just a guess, but you don’t live in Texas or attend gun shows, right? I am not being insulting, but if this is the case it explains why you may be overlooking some very important points.

Also, the BATFE’s own numbers say that criminals mostly steal their weapons or buy them off the black market - not buy them at a show.


8 posted on 01/19/2010 11:08:36 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: papasmurf
Reports were coming in from forums and elsewhere that the Austin PD and the BATFE have mandated no private sales will be allowed. Thing is, there is no federal or state law giving them this authority.

The issue is a question of what really precipitated this. If this is a simple agreement by lessor and lessee that is one thing, but if it was "directed" by mandate of the BATF it is quite another. At this point it is not clear which is the case.

10 posted on 01/19/2010 11:09:45 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: papasmurf

If I wanted to sell one of my legal firearms on the street to another lawful buyer, where can that be construed as anything but an infringement of my, or the buyers right, to keep and bear arms by cops restricting where I can sell the firearm?
First it’s a gun show. Then the parking lot. Next my home? Where does the infringement stop once it is started?

I don’t care what the police motives are intended to save, stop, prevent, or otherwise intrude on legal firearms transactions by private citizens. It is still an infringement on the 2nd Amendment.

There are no gray areas here that I can see.


11 posted on 01/19/2010 11:11:21 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: papasmurf

Because you are not a FFL holder (I assume) and do not fall under FFL guidelines. Its a bad thing because you don’t want the governemnt (on any level) preventing you from selling YOUR property to who ever you choose to. If you want to sell your tv to someone, do it. You want to sell your toaster to someone... do it. Same goes for a gun, its YOURS, selling it is a private matter. It baffles me that people want government regulating MORE basic freedoms in their lives.


12 posted on 01/19/2010 11:11:38 PM PST by GregoTX (When people find they can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin)
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To: papasmurf

Here is another article you might want to read>

Obama Administration Shuts Down Oldest Gun Show in Central Texas

http://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-shuts-down-oldest-gun-show-in-central-texas/

The BATF engaged in mafia tactics in running a criminal conspiracy to shut down a gun show in Austin Texas, the Alex Jones Show heard Monday, direct from the man embroiled at the center of the Obama administration’s latest savage attack on the second amendment.

Following the staged arrest of a man by the Austin Police — subsequently released without charge — the BATF pressured lease holders HEB to shut down the oldest gun show in central Texas.

As revealed Monday on The Alex Jones Show, the BATF called the original meeting regarding the gun show and used threats and intimidation to shut down the event.


14 posted on 01/19/2010 11:17:40 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: papasmurf
From what I read, the Austin PD want to stop illegal aliens and convicted felons from buying guns while on the premises of the gun show (HEB owned center).

Sounds more like an excuse for the Government to further infringe upon our 2nd Amendment Right. If there's such a concern over illegal aliens buying guns... enforce existing laws and get rid of the illegal aliens.

15 posted on 01/19/2010 11:20:37 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: papasmurf
"If I have that correct, tell me why that’s bad. Honestly, I just don’t get it. And, yes, I am a gun owner and NRA member."

It's bad because it allows the Austin PD and BATFE to assert authority in an area where they have none. The ONLY entity that has that authority in Texas is the legislature. If I lived in Texas, I'd be at that show, in the parking lot, with a gun for sale. And the promoter of the show should be hounded out of business for going along with this usurpation of authority.

25 posted on 01/20/2010 3:20:22 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: papasmurf
"tell me why that’s bad."

Well, you've certainly gotten enough responses to your question from various legal aspects, but I note that one vital moral aspect has been missed here. The purported reason for this illegal action is a textbook example of how "authorities" tend to allow criminals to determine the freedoms allowed the law abiding, existing law be damned. That approach is exactly the opposite to American jurisprudence.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

28 posted on 01/20/2010 5:12:30 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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